Comments on: Catholics Worship Mary! The Hail Mary Proves it. http://bfhu.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/catholics-worship-mary-the-hail-mary-proves-it/ Bread From Heaven Unlimited is an apostolate for educating the public about the Truths of the Catholic Faith using modern media-print and internet. It is our tiny effort to counteract the bad press about the Catholic Church and supplement the catechesis in many modern parishes. Our patron saints are St. Francis de Sales and John Paul II. Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:29:24 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Angela http://bfhu.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/catholics-worship-mary-the-hail-mary-proves-it/#comment-6363 Angela Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:54:22 +0000 http://bfhu.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-6363 William: Yes Mary is definetely better at mediating than you or me as she was chosen from among the created to be the Mother of God. Remember Jesus is also God and he is alway just and just means we sometimes don't deserve what we ask for. It is only through "grace" that we receive our petitions and "grace" is a free gift that we don't deserve, but.... The blessed mother through her role as "Mother of God"(Please don't argue about this-She is the mother of God literaly) can stand before the throne of God and place our petitions and thru her influence in God, He will grant them. To truly know this, you have to experience this in prayer and petition to the blessed mother as intercessor. We Catholics don't revere her as "God" but respect and honour her as "Mother of God". If you have a family you will understand what I mean. Jesus loved his mother and we should too..... William:
Yes Mary is definetely better at mediating than you or me as she was chosen from among the created to be the Mother of God. Remember Jesus is also God and he is alway just and just means we sometimes don’t deserve what we ask for. It is only through “grace” that we receive our petitions and “grace” is a free gift that we don’t deserve, but…. The blessed mother through her role as “Mother of God”(Please don’t argue about this-She is the mother of God literaly) can stand before the throne of God and place our petitions and thru her influence in God, He will grant them. To truly know this, you have to experience this in prayer and petition to the blessed mother as intercessor.
We Catholics don’t revere her as “God” but respect and honour her as “Mother of God”. If you have a family you will understand what I mean. Jesus loved his mother and we should too…..

]]> By: happy http://bfhu.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/catholics-worship-mary-the-hail-mary-proves-it/#comment-6362 happy Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:48:31 +0000 http://bfhu.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-6362 Mary is such an inspiration, because remember, too that she had free will. What a beautiful choice she made. To honor her, respect her , love her is not to be confused with what we feel for our Father God, Jesus and the holy Spirit. And yet this is the post right before your comment!!!??? I don't really understand HOW Catholics can be any more clear on this issue!!!!!????? Mary is such an inspiration, because remember, too that she had free will. What a beautiful choice she made. To honor her, respect her , love her is not to be confused with what we feel for our Father God, Jesus and the holy Spirit.

And yet this is the post right before your comment!!!??? I don’t really understand HOW Catholics can be any more clear on this issue!!!!!?????

]]> By: bfhu http://bfhu.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/catholics-worship-mary-the-hail-mary-proves-it/#comment-6361 bfhu Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:26:57 +0000 http://bfhu.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-6361 <strong>William: is</strong> mary or saints mediating better than jesus <strong>BFHU:</strong> NO. Do you ever ask friends or family to pray for you? Same thing. We have been told to “Pray for one another.” So, in obedience to Christ we pray for one another. Unlike Protestants we believe Christians are still alive after their bodies die, are still a part of the body of Christ, still interested in the salvation of others, and are able to pray for us. Protestants have faith but it is narrow and stunted due to their adherence to sola Scriptura. William: is mary or saints mediating better than jesus

BFHU: NO. Do you ever ask friends or family to pray for you? Same thing.
We have been told to “Pray for one another.”
So, in obedience to Christ we pray for one another. Unlike Protestants we believe Christians are still alive after their bodies die, are still a part of the body of Christ, still interested in the salvation of others, and are able to pray for us.

Protestants have faith but it is narrow and stunted due to their adherence to sola Scriptura.

]]> By: william http://bfhu.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/catholics-worship-mary-the-hail-mary-proves-it/#comment-6359 william Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:49:58 +0000 http://bfhu.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-6359 is mary or saints mediating better than jesus is mary or saints mediating better than jesus

]]> By: happy http://bfhu.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/catholics-worship-mary-the-hail-mary-proves-it/#comment-6214 happy Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:38:32 +0000 http://bfhu.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-6214 Mary is such an inspiration, because remember, too that she had free will. What a beautiful choice she made. To honor her, respect her , love her is not to be confused with what we feel for our Father God, Jesus and the holy Spirit. :) Mary is such an inspiration, because remember, too that she had free will. What a beautiful choice she made. To honor her, respect her , love her is not to be confused with what we feel for our Father God, Jesus and the holy Spirit.

:)

]]> By: bfhu http://bfhu.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/catholics-worship-mary-the-hail-mary-proves-it/#comment-6204 bfhu Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:03:01 +0000 http://bfhu.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-6204 Colin, I did not think you were condemning me or all Catholics. I think you trust your own opinions and/ or the opinions of others more than fact. We do not believe in the "blood of Mary". You are listening to the wrong voices. And we do remember the woman who washed Jesus' feet with her hair every year when we read that Gospel passage. But we don't worship anyone but God the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. Mary did not sin by a singular Grace of God. Protestants limit the power of God in this matter, putting God into a box. The perpetual virginity of Mary does not contradict scripture, it only contradicts Protestant interpretation of scripture which is extremely inconsistent. If you think Mary's assumption was unique you must not have read the OT where Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven. The Catholic Church teaches the Assumption of Mary b/c it is an historical fact whether Protestants like it or not. I agree Colin you should refrain from commenting on Catholic sites until you have better educated yourself. You are very unconvincing to every Catholic b/c of your misinformed opinions. Colin,
I did not think you were condemning me or all Catholics. I think you trust your own opinions and/ or the opinions of others more than fact.

We do not believe in the “blood of Mary”. You are listening to the wrong voices. And we do remember the woman who washed Jesus’ feet with her hair every year when we read that Gospel passage. But we don’t worship anyone but God the Father, Son & Holy Spirit.

Mary did not sin by a singular Grace of God. Protestants limit the power of God in this matter, putting God into a box.

The perpetual virginity of Mary does not contradict scripture, it only contradicts Protestant interpretation of scripture which is extremely inconsistent.

If you think Mary’s assumption was unique you must not have read the OT where Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven. The Catholic Church teaches the Assumption of Mary b/c it is an historical fact whether Protestants like it or not.

I agree Colin you should refrain from commenting on Catholic sites until you have better educated yourself. You are very unconvincing to every Catholic b/c of your misinformed opinions.

]]> By: colin saxton http://bfhu.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/catholics-worship-mary-the-hail-mary-proves-it/#comment-6203 colin saxton Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:55:59 +0000 http://bfhu.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-6203 bfhu, I am not condemning you I am just pointing out the RC catechism and how it contradicts directly the word of God. This is not me trying to get one up on you for my pride it is just that the roman catholic catechism is contradicting the bible which is given by God to us for understanding. I am not saying that all Catholics are lost souls. I also know catholics that attend our church. I just don't think that any Christian should teach salvation, mediation or redemption thorugh the Rosary or Mary. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is salvation through Jesus Christ and his sacrifice sent by the mercy of God to all mankind. The blood of Jesus will cleanse you. The blood of Mary will do no more good for you then your own. I wouldn't dream of telling any new christian to start praying to Mary. Mary was blessed because she was the mother of Jesus Christ so we are to remember her. But didn't Jesus also say that the woman who washed his feet with her tears would also be remembered. There is no church that gives special significance to her anywhere that I know. Even the angel in revelation told John not to bow down to him because he was just a brother like him. We should only give reverenance in this way to The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. No other in scripture is given divine authority. Mary was a sinner...like the rest of us...she needed a saviour. Catholics believe that Mary died a virgin? In blind contradiction to what is given in scripture. Catholics believe that Mary was received into Heaven in body and spirit the same way Jesus was? Nowhere in scripture will you find this. (The only time this is going to happen is when Jesus Returns, which he hasn't yet) Why does the roman catholic church teach this? That said, Morgen, you are right. This kind of talk only serves to move away from the love of Jesus Christ that we should all have. I just don't want to even read anything on a Roman Catholic website anymore because I always get dragged into a dark river :( bfhu,

I am not condemning you I am just pointing out the RC catechism and how it contradicts directly the word of God. This is not me trying to get one up on you for my pride it is just that the roman catholic catechism is contradicting the bible which is given by God to us for understanding.

I am not saying that all Catholics are lost souls. I also know catholics that attend our church. I just don’t think that any Christian should teach salvation, mediation or redemption thorugh the Rosary or Mary.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is salvation through Jesus Christ and his sacrifice sent by the mercy of God to all mankind. The blood of Jesus will cleanse you. The blood of Mary will do no more good for you then your own.

I wouldn’t dream of telling any new christian to start praying to Mary. Mary was blessed because she was the mother of Jesus Christ so we are to remember her. But didn’t Jesus also say that the woman who washed his feet with her tears would also be remembered. There is no church that gives special significance to her anywhere that I know. Even the angel in revelation told John not to bow down to him because he was just a brother like him.

We should only give reverenance in this way to The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. No other in scripture is given divine authority. Mary was a sinner…like the rest of us…she needed a saviour.

Catholics believe that Mary died a virgin? In blind contradiction to what is given in scripture.

Catholics believe that Mary was received into Heaven in body and spirit the same way Jesus was? Nowhere in scripture will you find this. (The only time this is going to happen is when Jesus Returns, which he hasn’t yet)

Why does the roman catholic church teach this?

That said, Morgen, you are right. This kind of talk only serves to move away from the love of Jesus Christ that we should all have. I just don’t want to even read anything on a Roman Catholic website anymore because I always get dragged into a dark river :(

]]> By: Morgen http://bfhu.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/catholics-worship-mary-the-hail-mary-proves-it/#comment-6202 Morgen Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:03:18 +0000 http://bfhu.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-6202 Wow. I don't understand all this. A Catholic telling someone who believes in Christ not to call himself an authentic Christian, a man who professes to believe in Christ beating down the Catholic Church that has stood for 2000 years - guys, the true church lies within your hearts, don't you know that? Christ lives IN YOU if you love and follow Him. We are only required to believe, and it doesn't matter what this or that man-made doctrine says. A man can be a true worshiper of Christ even if he lives in the middle of the desert and has never heard a single homily or sermon, but has the Word of God - in fact, if God chooses to speak to a a man in the middle of the desert who has never even seen scripture, and in His speaking the man's heart is turned, then that man is a true Christian. I know many Protestants who work hand-in-hand in their communities with Catholics. I know many Catholics who minister to Protestants in their communities. I also know that Jesus Himself said that many will say to Him that they did miracles in His Name, and He will tell them to get away from Him because He "knows them not." So, apparently there will be some of us who THINK we are following Christ who aren't, truly. If that's the case, shouldn't we just be looking to our OWN salvation, and not criticizing others in the faith? Jesus said that if you loved Him you would obey Him, and then He went on to say that His commandment was this: that you love one another. Please, if you love HIM, obey Him by loving one another and put all this doctrinal fighting to rest! I'm pretty sure, whether either of you want to believe it or not, that there will be both Protestants and Catholics in the glorious kingdom to come, where countless saints have gone before us. Make peace now. Wow. I don’t understand all this. A Catholic telling someone who believes in Christ not to call himself an authentic Christian, a man who professes to believe in Christ beating down the Catholic Church that has stood for 2000 years – guys, the true church lies within your hearts, don’t you know that? Christ lives IN YOU if you love and follow Him. We are only required to believe, and it doesn’t matter what this or that man-made doctrine says. A man can be a true worshiper of Christ even if he lives in the middle of the desert and has never heard a single homily or sermon, but has the Word of God – in fact, if God chooses to speak to a a man in the middle of the desert who has never even seen scripture, and in His speaking the man’s heart is turned, then that man is a true Christian. I know many Protestants who work hand-in-hand in their communities with Catholics. I know many Catholics who minister to Protestants in their communities. I also know that Jesus Himself said that many will say to Him that they did miracles in His Name, and He will tell them to get away from Him because He “knows them not.” So, apparently there will be some of us who THINK we are following Christ who aren’t, truly. If that’s the case, shouldn’t we just be looking to our OWN salvation, and not criticizing others in the faith? Jesus said that if you loved Him you would obey Him, and then He went on to say that His commandment was this: that you love one another. Please, if you love HIM, obey Him by loving one another and put all this doctrinal fighting to rest! I’m pretty sure, whether either of you want to believe it or not, that there will be both Protestants and Catholics in the glorious kingdom to come, where countless saints have gone before us. Make peace now.

]]> By: bfhu http://bfhu.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/catholics-worship-mary-the-hail-mary-proves-it/#comment-6201 bfhu Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:24:54 +0000 http://bfhu.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-6201 Colin, Where do you think we got the OT? From the Jews. So, since the first Christians were Jews it was only natural that they would adopt many things Jewish. There is nothing wrong with that. You accept the Protestant tradition of grouping the 16 verses from Ex. 20 into the Ten Commandments. That is fine but then to turn around and accuse the Catholic Church for grouping them slightly differently as being purposeful in order to legitimize the worship of idols is crass and uncharitable. You are not judging with right judgment. I am sorry to disappoint you but we do not worship idols, pictures, or saints. So, we did not drop the commandment in order to do so. Our numbering system has been used for 2000 years and we weren't about to change it after the Protestants came along with their accusations, a short 500 years ago. Are you aware that your belief that all Christian truth must be found in scripture alone is a tradition of men started by Martin Luther? There is no such command in scripture. And yet you beat the Catholic Church up with demands for scripture to prove our beliefs and yet you do not have scripture for this foundational principle of Protestantism. I think the word for that is, hypocrisy. Colin,
Where do you think we got the OT? From the Jews. So, since the first Christians were Jews it was only natural that they would adopt many things Jewish. There is nothing wrong with that.

You accept the Protestant tradition of grouping the 16 verses from Ex. 20 into the Ten Commandments. That is fine but then to turn around and accuse the Catholic Church for grouping them slightly differently as being purposeful in order to legitimize the worship of idols is crass and uncharitable. You are not judging with right judgment.

I am sorry to disappoint you but we do not worship idols, pictures, or saints. So, we did not drop the commandment in order to do so.

Our numbering system has been used for 2000 years and we weren’t about to change it after the Protestants came along with their accusations, a short 500 years ago.

Are you aware that your belief that all Christian truth must be found in scripture alone is a tradition of men started by Martin Luther? There is no such command in scripture. And yet you beat the Catholic Church up with demands for scripture to prove our beliefs and yet you do not have scripture for this foundational principle of Protestantism. I think the word for that is, hypocrisy.

]]> By: colin saxton http://bfhu.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/catholics-worship-mary-the-hail-mary-proves-it/#comment-6200 colin saxton Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:43:33 +0000 http://bfhu.wordpress.com/?p=1345#comment-6200 I don't know how you can miss CCC 882 "the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered." and ccc 937 "The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate and universal power in the care of souls." If you really believe the above then brother you read something in the bible that I don't...and I can't accept how anyone can defend changing the 10 commandments by saying that because someone else has done it then how can we be wrong? Come on...The Lord gave us the power of descernment so use it! I am not getting into a tit for tat slanging match over the word of God. If you choose to believe some hyped up catechism put together by men over the word of God then that is a problem that you have to sort out for yourself. I for one choose to believe the bible. I am baptist, you are roman catholic...we could go on for ages but I do hope that people can read the Roman Catholic Catechism and come to their own conclusions...Feel free to say what you like about the above 882 paragraph but I won't accept any political rigling by anyone who wants to deny the glory of our King Jesus Christ. I don’t know how you can miss CCC 882

“the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”

and ccc 937 “The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate and universal power in the care of souls.”

If you really believe the above then brother you read something in the bible that I don’t…and I can’t accept how anyone can defend changing the 10 commandments by saying that because someone else has done it then how can we be wrong?

Come on…The Lord gave us the power of descernment so use it!

I am not getting into a tit for tat slanging match over the word of God. If you choose to believe some hyped up catechism put together by men over the word of God then that is a problem that you have to sort out for yourself.

I for one choose to believe the bible. I am baptist, you are roman catholic…we could go on for ages but I do hope that people can read the Roman Catholic Catechism and come to their own conclusions…Feel free to say what you like about the above 882 paragraph but I won’t accept any political rigling by anyone who wants to deny the glory of our King Jesus Christ.

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