Simon: If all religious truth is not found in scripture then where are you finding your “religious truth” from?
Bread From Heaven: You have asked a good question.The Catholic Church is the original Christian Church. Our beliefs have been in existence for 2000 years because Jesus taught the Apostles and the Apostles taught others what Jesus had taught them. The apostles wrote some of these teachings down and these became the books of the New Testament. The rest of what Jesus taught the Apostles became what we call Sacred Tradition. When the Catholic Church talks about Tradition we mean nothing less than the teaching of the Apostles.
Simon: If something aint in scripture does that mean u can just make things up?
Bread From Heaven: The Catholic Church does not make anything up. If she did the American culture would be happier with the Catholic Church b/c then she could approve of contraception, homosexual marriage, abortion, divorce, and women priests. But she cannot change what Jesus taught the apostles.
The Scripture tells us that everything Jesus did could not be written down b/c the world could not contain the books.
John 20:30 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
John 21: 25_And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written._
And St. Paul exhorts Christians to cling to the Traditions they were taught by him both written and oral. And that is exactly what the Catholic Church does.
I Cor 11: 2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
Simon: Catholics practice things that aint in scripture
Bread From Heaven: Our beliefs neither pose a problem with any facts that I know of nor do they contradict or oppose scripture. Our beliefs and our interpretation of scripture DO, however, contradict Protestant interpretation of scripture. We are not concerned about these contradictions because Jesus founded the Catholic Church. All the non Catholic Christian denominations were founded by men, and most of them are 500 years old or less. Our church is 2000 years old. What most Protestants don’t think about is the the doctrine that all religious truth must be found in Scripture is a Protestant Tradition of Men. It is nowhere to be found in Scripture.
Simon: This is a classic response many catholics use when they are unable to answer a question presentented to them with facts and scripture to back it up.
Bread From Heaven: I am sure that is how it seems to you but the fact is Sola Scriptura-Scripture Alone is NOT scriptural. So, Protestants try to undermine Catholic beliefs by pointing out that what they believe is not spelled out in Scripture. Protestants think that this should be a death blow to Catholic beliefs because Sola Scriptura is the foundation upon which they think they built everything they believe. They mistakenly think that their Church does not believe anything that cannot be found explicitly in Scripture. And they have never realized that Sola Scriptura cannot be found in Scripture.
Our Catholic beliefs are historic and go all the way back to Jesus and the Apostles. And since Scripture does NOT spell out the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, because it did not exist until Martin Luther rebelled against the Catholic Church and invented it, the Catholic Church is NOT obligated to obey it, Martin Luther, or Protestant scripture interpretation.
Filed under: Sacred Scripture, Tradition
I will say this by having a POPE or office as such, said that Jesus is not really the Christ.
That is the difference
I believe Jesus is the Christ not the Pope.
Christ meaning Anointed One or representative to Earth or even a theological perspective incarnate.
I do not need a Pope, My representative from God came over 2,000 years ago and His words that were made known are in a collection of Letters and Books called the Bible.
Latin rite does not trump Scripture.
I belive In Jesus not Pope so and so
The Roman and Holy Roman Empires are dead lets keep them that shall we.
Robo: I will say this by having a POPE or office as such, said that Jesus is not really the Christ.
Bread From Heaven: This is just your opinion. Since when does having a vice president mean the president is non-existent or no meaning?
Uhmmmm….Jesus is the Christ not the Pope. Did you think we thought the Pope was the Christ? Wow! Where do Protestants get this stuff. It certainly is not in the Bible.
I need a Pope b/c I am not able to interpret the Bible infallibly and better than those who knew Jesus and/or His apostles.
The Latin Rite does not trump scripture or even contradict anything in scripture. The Catholic Faith merely contradicts various interpretations of scripture unhinged from historic Christianity. So I think we agree more than we disagree.
Roboman40: Will say this by having a POPE or office as such, said that Jesus is not really the Christ. That is the difference
Comment: You are misinformed, it seems hard for you to see that during so many ages the so-called Church has understood the Gospel differently.
Roboman40: My representative from God came over 2,000 years ago and His words that were made known are in a collection of Letters and Books called the Bible.
Comment: Two thousand years ago there was no written Gospel only a teaching Church, you received your Bible from the very same Church.
Roboman40: The Roman and Holy Roman Empires are dead lets keep them that shall we.
Comment: You are right, but the Church of the ages is still alive and kicking.
“Roboman40: My representative from God came over 2,000 years ago and His words that were made known are in a collection of Letters and Books called the Bible.
Comment: Two thousand years ago there was no written Gospel only a teaching Church, you received your Bible from the very same Church.”
Its what we Call the Old testament , did not Jesus Teach from the O.T.
and were there not things written about Him in the O.T.?
Jesus said:” The Oracles of God Testify of Me but you still do not believe”
Wasn’t Jesus their in the beginning with Father before anything was made? Jesus wasn’t made ,no beginning no end?
“Words must be Spoken before than can be written”
I don’t think so. I am writing right now without speaking….
call no man father, in the last days they will forbid marriage and eating of certain meats, baptism is immerse never once was someone sprinkled, mary
is a women chosen she had no clue the angel was coming. She has sin and will stand at the judgement seat. no one can be prayed into heaven. At mass
it is said”and he will come in glory to judge the living and the dead. That puts so called saints in a place beides the grave.the B-I-B-L-E says we are all saints.
I have responded to these comments over and over and over. If you would like to know the Catholic response to these Protestant myths, and misrepresentations of Catholicism. I would encourage you to explore the pertinent topics in the Category Cloud or do a search of this blog.
We are all saints. The Catholic Church does NOT teach otherwise. Our Saints, with a capital “S” are individual people who lived heroic lives of sanctity. But we in no way think that these are the only ones. Many holy Saints lived lives of love of God in obscurity. We will get to know them in Heaven.