Can Humans be Sinless?

Bread From Heaven: Protestants forget that both Adam and Eve were created without sin. Most of the Angels did not sin and people in Heaven do not sin and that does not make any of them God. So sinlessness is a human trait that God originally bestowed upon human beings. It was also His desire that they remain sinless. Mary is human. Her sinlessness makes her special but not divine in any way. And she is the mother of our Savior she is not a savior.

Comment: The point not taken here is that ALL of the beings you reference, Adam/Eve, angels, people in heaven have the ability to choose sin or not.

Response: That is true, they have free will and so are able to choose to sin or not. But 2/3’s of the angels chose NOT TO SIN. So they are still sinless. The people in Heaven choose NOT TO SIN. So, they are now sinless. Adam & Eve were created without a fallen nature and were therefore NOT DESTINED to sin like the rest of us. Mary also was created without a sin nature and likewise able to choose not to sin by the grace of God. And she, unlike Adam and Eve resisted the temptation to sin her whole life.

Comment:Adam/Eve sinned, angels sinned against God’s will, people in heaven sinned while they were on this earth.
Response: OK, Scripture tells us that Adam, Eve, and some of the Angels sinned. But where in Scripture does it say that Mary sinned? What sin did she commit?

Comment: Mary sinned for she was human.

Response: Where in Scripture does it say that God created human beings to BE SINFUL? Part of their basic nature? Normally human beings die as well as sin. But we were not created originally to DIE. Death entered in after the Fall. Therefore, God did not create us with Death as a required attribute of our human nature. Some people in the OT did not die–Enoch & Elijah. Just because, by the power of God they escaped the experience of death does not somehow make them anything other than human.

Comment: Sinlessness is a trait of God not of humanity,

Response: God is sinless, that is true. But where does it say that ONLY God is sinless? What about the angels who remained loyal to God. They are sinless but they are not Gods.

Comment: You stated how God would have wanted a perfect vessel for his son to be born. If you continue with this logic, than how would God want Mary conceived? Into sinfull parents and then her vessel would not have been pure. And what about her grandparents? And their parents and you can see how this need for perfection grows exponentially which means somewhere in history there is an entire race of sinlesss beings.

Response: We do not teach that Mary’s parent’s were sinless. Mary was a creature. Jesus was God Incarnate. For the God incarnate to dwell in perfect purity in Mary’s womb is more fitting than any necessity for Mary conceived without sin, to dwell in perfect purity. If Mary’s parents had been sinless then she would have received her perfected human nature from them but she received it directly from her Heavenly Father.

Comment: Mary was endowed with grace by God, because she was good, not perfect.

Response: Where might this be found in Scripture? We of course believe Mary was endowed with grace that removed the inherited sin nature and chose to be obedient to God her whole life.

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  1. Quote: “But where in Scripture does it say that Mary sinned? What sin did she commit?”
    The Bible does not mention any sins of Mary, but that does not mean she did not sin. The Bible clearly states, however, that “all” have sinned.
    1 John 1:8 (New International Version)
    8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
    Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
    Psalm 143:2
    2 Do not bring your servant into judgment, for no one living is righteous before you.
    Romans 3:10 “There is no one righteous, not even one.”

    As far as the angels, I’m not sure how that works. I don’t think they are part of the Redemptive Plan. They either choose to obey (sinless?), or choose to rebel and, henceforth, are destined for the lake of sulfur (without a chance of repentance and salvation through Christ’s redemptive sacrifice). This bit about angels is just me thinking out loud.

  2. I would like to recommend that you see this post–>All Have Sinned Except Mary?

  3. Romans 3:23

    for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

  4. 1 John 3:9-10
    No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

  5. Earlier you said that it never says in the bible that Mary sinned but where in the bible does it say she didn’t sin?

  6. Dear Abby,

    You asked:

    ..where in the bible does it say she(Mary) didn’t sin?

    As I am sure you already know there is no scripture that plainly says something along the lines of: “Mary did not sin her whole life” or “Mary was sinless”.

    But, you may be surprised to learn that neither does it say anywhere in Scripture that all doctrine MUST be found in Scripture Alone and if NOT found it must to be rejected.

    Scripture is honored and extolled in scripture, but nowhere does it support Sola Scriptura, the invention of Martin Luther, a mere 500 years ago. So, Scripture neither says “Mary was sinless” nor “All Doctrine Must be found in Scripture”. One must look outside of scripture to see what the earliest Christians believed. But before I do that in order to address your question, let me ask you: Did you know that Martin Luther believed and taught the Immaculate Conception (sinlessness) of Mary?

    Martin Luther On Mary’s Immaculate Conception

    The writings of the Earliest Christian teachers have been preserved. Please explore these on the link I will give you to see that they believed and taught the sinlessness of Mary.

    Click on this link–> Mary: “Full of Grace”

    So, if the Christians in the first centuries of the Church believed in the Immaculate Conception of Mary and Martin Luther believed in the Immaculate Conception of Mary, by whose authority was this rejected as true? Have Protestants rejected it because it is not taught explicitly in Scripture? If so then they should also reject Sola Scripture which is also not supported or taught anywhere in Scripture.

    Protestants will not be convinced, but there is a passage that Catholics view as indirect support of the Immaculate Conception. I hope you will take the time to explore authentic Catholic interpretation of scripture rather than only listen to Protestants explain what Catholics believe. That is just what I did for years. Please see this post for a Catholic Interpretation of this Scripture:

    Immaculate Conception

    The Immaculate Conception

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