Gender of God #2



Christ Lover: DID YOU EVER HEAR OF WOMEN SAINTS IN THE CHURCH WHO DID MIRACLES???

BFHU: Yes, of course, but not by their own power but the power of God through them.

Christ Lover: WERE THE MIRACLES NOT EXPRESSION OF GOD WITHIN THE WOMEN??

BFHU: Yes, the power of God worked through them.

Christ Lover: JESUS SAID “THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU” AND DID NOT THE KINGDOM DISPLAY ITS POWER THROUGH THE WOMEN SAINTS??

BFHU: Absolutely, God’s power was manifested through them.

Christ Lover: HOW MUCH ABOVE A MALE PRIEST IS A WOMEN SAINT??

BFHU: All God’s children are loved by God. Exceptional holiness is recognized by the Church. And people of heroic virtue are canonized as Saints for the purpose giving good example of the Christian life. How much above a male priest a female saint would be, would depend upon the holiness of the priest. Sanctity has NOTHING to do with gender. A canonized female saint would be “higher” than any priest, bishop or pope of lesser sanctity.

Christ Lover: DID THE WOMEN SAINTS BECAME LESSER THAN THE MALE PRIESTS BECAUSE OF THEIR SEX??

BFHU: Again no. Who told you this? You have misunderstood.

Christ Lover: GOD HAS NO SEX AND WE ARE ALL CHILDREN OF GOD. THEN ARE YOU ACCUSING GOD OF DISCRIMINATE AGAINST HIS OWN CREATION IE.WOMEN??

BFHU: No you are mistaken. You are being influenced by our culture and not the ancient, unchanging Christian Faith.

According to this way of thinking one would have to concede that God discriminated against men since they cannot bear children? The sexes are different and fulfill different roles. But they are EQUAL in Dignity in the sight of God.

Did God discriminate against unattractive people, low IQ people, unathletic people, people who can’t sing,

unartistic people, etc? Where is it written that everyone MUST be EQUAL in EVERYTHING???!!! According to the “everyone should have an equal right to EVERYTHING” mentality God has failed us all in many ways or….

…perhaps these are all a part of his creativity and yet imbuing all with EQUAL DIGNITY and all EQUALLY loved by HIM.

God is God and if He so chooses to have only a male priesthood then don’t you think He should have that right, being God the Father Almighty?

Christ Lover: EVERY WOMEN HAS THE RIGHT TO BE A PRIESTESS AND ALSO A POPE!!

BFHU: Why? And what scripture do you have to support this assertion? No where in the people of God are there or have there ever been priestesses. Priestesses have ALWAYS been pagan.

Christ Lover: JESUS HIMSELF HAD A GROUP OF CLOSE WOMEN FOLLOWERS!!

BFHU: Yes. But He did not make them Priests in His Church. His own mother would have been a perfect candidate for ordination. God has other roles for his precious women of faith. They can be Saints and Doctors of the Church. Our Lady the Blessed Virgin Mary if fully human and the most Holy and highly honored human being in all of Christiandom…above all priests, bishops, Doctors of the Church, Popes, and Saints…and yet….SHE IS A WOMAN!!!!

Christ Lover: YOU QOUTED:

BFHU: I don’t follow that argument. There is no reason why God could not have been portrayed as female if HE had so desired. There were lots of female godesses in the ancient world and there still are.

Christ Lover: ARE YOU SAYING THAT GOD IS A MAN??

BFHU: NO.

Christ Lover: HOW CAN U CALL A BEING MAN OR WOMAN WITHOUT A BODY??

BFHU: God is Spirit and has no Gender.

Christ Lover: OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT GOD HAS A BODY NOW A DAYS OR THAT JESUS AND GOD ARE NOT TWO BUT THE SAME PERSON??

BFHU: God the Father and God the Holy Spirit do not have bodies, they are spirits. Jesus the Son DOES HAVE a BODY. He is the Eternal God/Man. Two Natures-Divine and Human. They are three Persons but ONE GOD. Amen. In the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

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5 Responses

  1. BFHU: Yes, of course, but not by their own power but the power of God through them.

    you are 100 % right in saying that the power is god’s own acting through them.BUT THRE IS A BIG THING THAT YOU ARE MISSING OUT. SAINTS ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE REALISED THAT THE SOUL OR THE REAL SELF IS NOTHING BUT A PART OF GOD.THEY HAVE REALISED THEIR ONENESS WITH GOD(THE CHILD OF GOD).YET THEY REALIZE THAT GOD HAS GIVEN THEM An identity OF THEIR OWN TOO. REALISING THAT THEY SHARE THIS SOUL LINK WITH GOD THEY REALIZE THE UNLIMITED POWERS WITHIN THEM WHICH COMES FROM GOD-THE SOURCE OF EVERYTHING.THUS GOD’S OWN POWER IS EXPRESSED THROUGH THEM.THEY REALIZE THAT THE POWER IN THEIR OWN SELF IS THE GOD LIKE POWERS WHICH THE ALMIGHTY HAS.BUT THEIR WILL IS GODS WILL AS THEY REALIZE THEIR ONESS WITH HIM!! THEY ARE NOT GOD(AND NEVER CLAIM SO) BUT A PART OF HIM.THUS THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY LIKE JESUS THAT THE FATHER IS IN THEM AND THEY ARE IN THE FATHER. AND WHY NOT ?? JESUS HIMSELF PROMISED US THAT AFTER A STUDENT COMPLETES HIS TRANING HE BECOMES EQUAL TO HIS TEACHER.AND IN ANOTHER PLACE HE QUOTES THE OLD TESTAMENT WHERE GOD HAS TOLD US “THAT WE ARE GODS(MEANING A PART OF HIM) we being “the children of god” means that we are all a part of god.not this body which decays and fades after death.it is the real we. i am talking of we as “souls”.our identity is not the body.our true identity is the soul which remains forever.no death can touch the soul as the soul is a part of god himself. jesus told of this truth in luke 12 under “whome to fear”. he taught us not to fear people who can do nothing more than kill the body(see how much less care he teaches us to show TOWARDS this boDy as this is not our identiity. but he tells us to fear god who has the right to pass judgement on us-the souls(OUR TRUE IDENTITY) .if we do bad god makes us realize that wrong and helps us correct them to be more spiritual) so you tell right when you say that it is god who is expressing his powers through the spiritually powerful. but you must give credit to the SAINT’S soul’s love for god which made it possible for god to express his devine self through them.saints are always in god.so god’s will BECOME their will.i say all this to help you understand the scripture as deeply as god will want you to. i speak of these truths as god has been kind enough to open my mind on a few of the deeper meanings of the bible during my prayer.i am no saint.i have no church to identify with.all i have is love for god and jesus.so if you dont understand a few things please dont redicule.pray and maybe you will realize too.. when i feel i have done my job i will write no more.i wrOTe as during my NIGHTLY meditation(AFTER READING YOUR BLOG AS TO WHY WOMEN CANT BE PRIESTS) i found an urge to tell you that women and men are no different in anyway as you feeL.BUT THERE IS A FEW MORE POINTS I WILL SAY.

    BFHU: No you are mistaken. You are being influenced by our culture and not the ancient, unchanging Christian Faith.

    According to this way of thinking one would have to concede that God discriminated against men since they cannot bear children? The sexes are different and fulfill different roles. But they are EQUAL in Dignity in the sight of God.

    Did God discriminate against unattractive people, low IQ people, unathletic people, people who can’t sing,

    unartistic people, etc? Where is it written that everyone MUST be EQUAL in EVERYTHING???!!! According to the “everyone should have an equal right to EVERYTHING” mentality God has failed us all in many ways or….

    …perhaps these are all a part of his creativity and yet imbuing all with EQUAL DIGNITY and all EQUALLY loved by HIM

    IT IS NOT GOD BUT MAN WHO IS DISCRIMINATING AGAINST WOMEN. HOW DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEPRIVE WOMEN FROM PRIESTHOOD???? YOU ARE TRYING TO ESCAPE FROM THE POINT BY SAYING THAT GOD LOOKS WITH EQUAL DIGNITY ON THE TWO SEXES!! (WHY NOT MAN DO THE SAME????) WRONG…GOD DOES NOT CARE WHAT THE SEX IS…IF THE SOUL IS GOOD GOD LOVES IT(AND USES IT TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE GET NEAR HIM-PRIEST/ESS)…IF BAD GOD HELPS IT!! WHY ARE YOU RESISTING GODS PLAN TO USE GODLY SOULS(WHETHER THEY ARE IN THE MALE OF FEMALE BODY) TO BRING OTHER PEOPLE NEAR?? GOD MADE TWO SEXES FOR DIFFERENT PHYSICAL ROLE ON EARTH(NOT IN HEAVEN) THAT TOO FOR A FEW YEARS AFTER THE CHILD IS BORN(SAY 3 -4 YEARS) WHERE THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE OF A WOMAN HELPS GOD TO BRING A NEW SOUL ON THIS PLANET. BUT AFTER THAT WHY DO YOU SAY THAT GOD HAS DISCRIMINATED WITH MEN BEACUSE THEY CANT BEAR CHILDREN.?? TO PROTECT THE CHILD AND FAMILY (MORE SO CENTURIES BACK)…PHYSICAL POWER WAS NEEDED WHICH MAN HAD(WHICH IF WOMEN HAD WOULD HAVE BEEN HURTFUL TO THE CHILD) …AND WOMAN HAD THE POWER TO BRING A CHILD.THAT IS IN NO WAY DISCRMINATING AS A MOTHERS GREATEST PRIDE IS IN THE ABILITY TO BEAR CILDREN AND THE FATHER’S GREATEST PRIDE TO PROVIDE PROTECTION WHICH IN MODERN TIMES IS A THING LITTLE NEEDED AS LAW PREVAILS IN MOST CIVILIZED PLACES!! BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SPIRITUALITY THE QUESTION OF GENDER OR BODY DOES NOT ARISE…NEITHER THE MALE BODY NOR THE FEMALE BODY HAS ANYTHING SPECIAL FOR GOD.IT IS THE SOUL AND ONLY THE SOUL AND WHEN IT CONNECTS WITH GOD GOD WILL USE IT TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE COME NEAR HIM…AND A SOUL HAS EVERY RIGHT TO WORSHIP GOD AND HEAR CONFESSIONS AS LONG AS IT IS GODLY….WHERE DOES BODY COME IN?? …GOD NEEDS NO BODY TO WORK…ITS A FORMALITY ON EARTH…AFTER DEATH YOU ARE NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE…ONLY THE SOUL DEVINE!!

    Where is it written that everyone MUST be EQUAL in EVERYTHING???!!! According to the “everyone should have an equal right to EVERYTHING” mentality God has failed us all in many ways or….

    AS SOULS WE ALL STAND EQUAL…ITS OUR DEEDS THAT MAKE US WHAT WE ARE….MAN DOES NOT SHARE AND BLAME GOD FOR INEQUALITY…HOW BAD….WHEN MAN WILL CREAT DIVISIONS GOD IS BLAMED FOR THE OUTCOMES!! NO BHFU…FATHER LOOKS AT US AS SOULS …NOT AS HUMAN BEINGS….WHY DOES PEOPLE HAV LESS IQ AND DEFORMED AT BIRTH ?? I HAVE AN ANSWER…BUT IT IS NOT FOR ME TO TELL YOU…PRAY AND ONE DAY YOU WILL SEE THE DEVINE WAITING EAGERLY TO TELL YOU MORE….ITS A LINK THAT YOU DONT KNOW…PLEASE DONT ASK…MAYBE I WILL NOT GO SO DEEP..WHY?? I AM JUST A SOUL ..NOT A TEACHER WHO HAS GOD CONTACT AT WILL(YOU CALL IT HAVING THE SPRIT INSIDE TO HELP)…I TELL ONLY WHEN I KNOW FULLY…ELSE IF YOU ASK MORE I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOU…AND MIGHT YOU THINK I SPEAK FROM REASON THAN REALIZATION.
    YOU HAVE THE MIND TO HAVE NOTICED A TRUTH…YES DUALITY IS A PART OF HIS CREATION…..HURTS HELP US TURN TO HIM FOR HELP…OUR OWN ACTIONS PROVOKES US TO SEEK HIM FOR SALVATION WHEN WE GET BACK WHAT WE HAVE SOWED WRONG…

    God is God and if He so chooses to have only a male priesthood then don’t you think He should have that right, being God the Father Almighty?

    GOD HAS NOT CHOSEN MALE PRIESTHOOD…GOD HAS ONLY CHOSEN GODLY SOULS ..WOMEN WITH GODLY SOULS HAVE RIGHTS WHICH ARE BEING DENIED BY MAN……GOD TILL DATE HAS DONE NOTHING JUST BECAUSE HE IS ALLMIGHTY AND CAN DO ANYTING AT WILL …IN CASE HE USES HIS POWERS TO INTERFERE IN MANS MISDEEDS,….WARS…..KILLINGS ETC…MAN WONT BE ABLE TO SURVIVE A SECOND…EVERY DECISION OF GOD IS LOGICAL….GUIDED BY LOVE…IF MANKING DOES NOT CHANGE THEN WE RESIST GODS PLAN OF EVOLUTION TOWARDS THE BETTER….WHEN THE CONDITIONS ARE RIPE GOD ACTS..I PROMIE YOU BY THE LOVE I HAVE FOR GOD…..WOMEN WILL COME INTO PRIESTHOOD IN THE NEAR FUTURE OR THERE WILL BE MORE DIVISIONS IN THE NAME OF MY BELOVED CHRIST….THE PEOPLE WITH AN MIND TO ACT WILL BREAK AWAY AND INTRODUCE WOMEN PRIESTS…GOD WILL NOT DESERT THEM AS INDIVUDUAL SOULS MATTER TO HIM ….AND THE LOVE..THAT IS ALL I CAN SAY ON WOMEN PRIESTHOOD…AND BHFU….I HAVE THE SAME LOVE FOR YOU WHOEVER YOU MAYBE EVEN THOU IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME O N MANY POINTS…MY PRAYERS WLL ALWAYS BE FOR YOU TO MY MASTER CHRIST!! LASTLY THE SCRIPTURES DO NOT HAVE IT ALL WRITTEN DOWN FOR MAN TO FOLLOW…SADLY I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS POINT..SO MAYBE I CANT SHOW YOU WHERE IN THE SCRIPTURES DOES GOD HAS SAID ABOUT WOMEN AND PRIESTHOOD AND WOMEN POPE(BUT I THING FROM MY REASON…JESUS NEVER TOLD OF PRIESTHOOD ONLY BY MALES AND NEVER BY FEMALES?? HE NEVER GAVE A DIRECT ORDER TO BAR WOMEN FROM PRIESTHOOD..WITH SAINT PETER HIS CLOSEST DISCIPLE HE LAID THE POWER TO PROPOGATE HIS TEACHINGS AND WORSHIP GOD….SO WHY SAY WOMEN ARE BARRED??)…BUT PLEASE TRY TO REACH GODS HEART BY PRAYER…CONCENTRATE ON THE POINT BETWEEN YOUR EYE BROWS AND VISUALISE OUR CHRIST THERE…YOU WILL FEEL PEACE AND LOVE…WHY THE POINT BETWEEN YOUR EYEBROWS?? AS THAT IS THE POINT WHERE A CLOSED EYE CAN BIOLOGICALLY FOCUS BEST!! SO UR CONCENTRATION ON GOD IS ENHACED AND THUS YOUR PRAYER IS MORE EFFECTIVE..THATS MY LITTLE HELP TO YOU…BYE!!.

    AND U KNOW..I AM NO FEMALE TO FIGHT FOR FEMALE RIGHTS..SURPRISE..BUT THIS LOVER OF CHRIST IS A SOUL IN A MALE BODY…

  2. Christ Lover

    Your beliefs as exhibited in this post and the previous posts are not in line with Catholic Christian Church teaching. You will NEVER convince the Catholic Church to change the Doctrine and Dogmas of the Church founded by Jesus.

    Jesus only ordained men to the priesthood, therefore the Catholic Church follows in the footsteps of Christ and ONLY Ordains Men to the Priesthood. This will NEVER change. As JPII says the Church cannot change that which Christ established, all sophistry notwithstanding.

  3. dear bhfu…firstly i must thank you for being so polite on my discussion of the topic..i am very happy that you patiently heard what i had to say!! it shows that you are good at heart 🙂 !! so thank you for replying so promptly!! i will never try to change the path of the catholic church as it is not my role to do so.when god will want change it will show but my future in god’s eyes is not about changing the veiw of the catholc church.someone else but not me !!! only god will decide on that!! and as i always say …spiritual quest is a personal quest!! so it matters not if there are so many different opinions on the scriptures . only true love for god wins his heart than just reading the bible.

    .i have one last question to you…i have read the bible so many times…i have never come across the place where jesus talks about priesthood or the church having only a male priest line!!

    Jesus only ordained men to the priesthood, therefore the Catholic Church follows in the footsteps of Christ and ONLY Ordains Men to the Priesthood.

    where?? where did he ever say so ??

    can you please for my personal understanding point out the passage where jesus talks in details about the foundation of the church after his going to heaven!! i mean where were the rules of conduct and worship taught by jesus?? as far as i remember the lords prayer was taught as an example of how to pray and the rest of all his teachings were on how to live a life pleasing to god…he did predict and warn of misdeed and taught the nature of god and many other things but in the four gosples written by mark,john,matthew and luke i have not found jesus talking about priest hood or male inclination at all!! can u please point out the passages which deal with all this!!

  4. Christ Lover,

    First, all that pertains to faith in Christ is not contained in scripture. The Protestant dogma of sola scriptura is based on nothing in scripture and yet attempts to hold all other doctrine to this dogma that everything must be substantiated by scripture. “And if it is not in scripture then it must not be true.”

    That is hypocrisy– Luther’s because he started it and Protestants usually don’t notice it the hypocrisy of it all.

    However, Scripture does tell us that all that Jesus did is NOT contained in the Gospels.

    Jn 21:25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

    At the last supper Jesus was alone with the twelve. He cleansed them by the washing of their feet. It was at this time that He ordained them to the priesthood (Sacrament of Holy Orders) and instituted the Sacrament of the Eucharist. But this is not explicit in the words.

    After His resurrection and before Pentecost, Jesus bestows the Holy Spirit upon the apostles privately in institutes the Sacrament of Confession/Reconciliation. This is much more explicit in Scripture.

    John 20: 21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

    Only the apostles were there. They were all men. These are all the sacraments that ONLY a priest may offer. Jesus never said only men could be priests, He demonstrated it. Words can be interpreted and twisted to mean various things but actions speak louder than words.

    All the rules of liturgy, sacraments, faith etc. were worked out by those in authority in the Church in the early years and fine tuned through the centuries. This authority was given to Peter, the apostles and their successors by Christ when they were given the power to “bind and loose”; a rabbinic idiom meaning authority to rule.

    Everything is simply NOT in Scripture. This can be proven by a few examples off the top of my head.

    Jesus talks about “Moses’ seat” and yet this is nowhere to be found in the OT. And yet, Jesus mentions it without explanation b/c everyone knew what He meant by it b/c the concept of Moses’ seat was taught orally.

    Matthew 23:2 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.

    Also in Jude 1:9 We find information that is NOT contained anywhere in the OT.

    Jude 1:9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

    These two examples could be multiplied. They indicate that a body of information /teaching existed outside of scripture that was authoritative, Jesus Himself makes use of it, and passed down from one generation to the next orally.

    For this reason St. Paul says:

    2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us. </blockquote>

    And what is the foundation of all TRUTH? The Church

    1 Timothy 3:15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth

  5. BHFU-However, Scripture does tell us that all that Jesus did is NOT contained in the Gospels.

    Jn 21:25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

    IT IS TRUE as the people of jesus’s time were not ready to swallow all the spirituality that jesus had to offer!! their minds would not take in all that jesus could explain and say…jesus himself sadly admitted it.how can spiritual novices take in words of a master who knew god himself??? so jesus taught his diciples many things privately(as the 12 men were already highly advaced spiritually and were receptive to jesus).so many things were sadly withheld from the common man as they were not ready for such knowledege.imagine …jesus in his 33 years of earthly life could not have talked only so little…his teachings are all but a compilation of his total teacings for so many years….I PERSONALLY FEEL SO SAD WHEN I THINK HOW FOOLISH PEOPLE WERE NOT TO HAVE RECORDED ALL HE SAID…if ever earth suffered a bigger loss it was the loss of the records of jesus…his life..his other teachings,sayings, deeds…so many!! 33 years of a man’s life cannot be just a thin gospel of say luke!! BUT THIS HAS NOT GIVEN MAN the right TO DRAW CONCLUSIONS AND IF HE DOES DRAWS THEN WHAT HAS HE GOT TO JUSTIFY HIS BELEIF??

    the washing of feet has been explained by jesus himself in most clear words….he said that if he being their master could wash his diciple’s feet without shame others should follow him too…HE MENTIONS IT CLEARLY -THAT IT WAS AN “ACT OF EXAMPLE”.and you know why he did so— with spiritual developement comes great power..(all the 12 apostels were able to exhibit that power). thus jesus showed them not be be proud of such powers (which is an instrument of the evil powers to make a man fall ) and start behaving egoistically and fall into temptaion….JESUS SHOWED THAT IF he WITH SO MUCH POWER CAN WASH THEIR FEET(THE ULTIMATE WAY TO SHOW SUBMISSION) NONE OF THEM SHOULD EVER THINK THAT THEY ARE GREAT(or GREATER AMONG THEMSELVES) WHILE OTHERS WERE SERVANTS OR LESS GREATER……thus jesus DID SO TO TEACH HUMILITY TO ALL…YES ACTION SPEAKS GREATER THAN WORDS….so to a man coming from an aethist background the washing of feet will teach him humility and non-abuse of power(not in his wildest dream ordained them to the priesthood ) so i did not understand the logic behind making this meaning come of this single act of jesus which he did to show that “even the son of man came to serve not to be served” please explain in more details…

    John 20: 21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

    Only the apostles were there. They were all men. These are all the sacraments that ONLY a priest may offer. Jesus never said only men could be priests, He demonstrated it. Words can be interpreted and twisted to mean various things but actions speak louder than words.

    MY ANSWER TO THIS IS
    (:22And with that he breathed on them and said),

    “Receive the Holy Spirit.”- THE CONDITION

    FOR :

    “23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

    IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT IN A PERSON ..MAN OR WOMAN…THEN A MILLION TIMES OF SAYING “YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN” WILL HAVE NO EFFECT….here i would like to point out in history….that papers of confessions were sold openly in the market by priests of the catholic church in MARTIN LUTHER’S TIME …DO YOU SAY THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS GUIDING THESE FOOLISH MEN WHO WERE TRYING TO DECEIVE MEN AND LOOT THEM IN THE DISGUISE OF PRIESTS AND IN THE NAME OF MY BELOVED CHRIST AND HOLY SPIRIT?? DID THEY NOT SPEAK LIES AND DID NOT THE CHURCH SUPPORT THEM.??..DID NOT THE FOLLY OF MAN IN INTERPRETING SCRIPTURES COME OUT?? I WILL TELL OF LUTHER A LITTLE LATER …

    SO JESUS SAID “WHO EVER HAS THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS”

    NOT MEN OR WOMEN OR PRIESTS OR ANYBODY…BUT ..ONLY PEOPLE WHO KNOW GOD/HAS THE SPIRIT GUIDING THEM HAS THE POWER TO DO SO…. AND HISTORY HAS PROVED THE SAYING…THIS IS THE ANSWER I GOT WHEN I PRAYED BHFU…

    AND THE MANY SAINTS (MEN AND WOMEN BOTH) HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDING THEM AND THEY COULD FEEL THE POWER AND MEANING OF FORGIVING AND HEALING ETC…..no sex but the ability to receive the spirit…AND MIND U …THE SPIRIT WAS NOT THE EXCLUSIVE PROPERTY OF ONLY THE 12 APOSTELS….JESUS SENDS THE SPIRIT TO EVERY PERSON WHO IS READY(AND HE SAID THIS IN THE GOSPEL)…SO YOUR LOGIC IS FLAWED THAT ONLY THE 12 RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THUS THEY MUST BE A SIGN OF MALE PRIESTS!! THE FACT IS THEY(THE APOSTELS) WERE READY AND GOD HAD CHOSEN TO USE SOULS IN MALE BODIES TO SPREAD THE WORD ALL OVER THE WORLD AND FAST(WOMEN COULD NOT TRAVEL SO FAR AND WIDE DUE TO FAMILY AND LACK OF SAFETY..NO PLANES DURING 0 BC)…THUS DUE TO RESTRICTIONS AND THORNS SET UP BY MAN GOD COLUD NOT USE WOMEN TO PROPAGATE THE TEACHINGS…

    BUT THE SPIRIT CAME TO MANY WOMEN AND THEY WERE PRIESTS -BUT PRIESTS “NOT RECOGNISED BY MAN” BUT “RECOGNISED BY GOD”..ONCE THE SPIRIT COMES HUMAN EARTHLY RECOGNITION IS A JOKE…IF GOD SAYS “YES” MAN HAS NO SAY..THUS NO WOMAN SAINT HAS FAUGHT FOR PRIESTHOOD FOR THEY SAW THE FOOLISHNESS IN RECOGNISTION FROM MAN INSTEAD OF FROM GOD …..

    AND IT FOLLOWS THE 12 APOSTELS TRAVELLED OVER THE WORLD…BUILT CHURCHES TO PRESERVE THE TEACHINGS…FIXED MALE HEADS AS IN GENERAL SOCIETY WAS STILL RULED BY BRAWN INSTEAD OF GODS GREATEST GIFT “BRAINS”…THUS MEN CHOOSE MEN AND MEN AND NO WOMEN EVER WAS CONSIDERED POWERFUL ENOUGH TO PREACH..MANS MINDSET PREVENTED SOULS WITH A FEMALE BODY TO COME FOROWARD….BUT GOD CHANGED THAT BY HIS POWER….NOW THAT WE ARE MORE GOLDLY IN GENERAL …I ALWAYS SAY EITHER WOMEN WILL COME OR DIVISIONS WILL COME….MARTIN LUTHER WAS AN “INSTRUMENT OF GOD” TO ADVENT A NEW AGE” ……SADLY MAN MADE GOD DEVIDE HIS CHURCH TOO !!

    ON MARTIN LUTHER:
    (I AM NO PROTESTANT ..I AM NEUTRAL AND AS I ALWAYS SAY…I KNOW NO CHURCH..ONLY GOD AND CHRIST)

    IN HIS DAYS SCIENCE WAS BEING REPRESSED..WITHOUT SCIENCE(WHICH REVEALS GOD’S CREATION) GOD SAW NO HOPE IN HIS DEVINE PLAN “THE EVOLUTION TOWARDS THE BETTER”
    THE CHURCH BURNT TO DEATH SCIENTISTS WHO SPOKE AGAINST IT’S INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURES(THE REASON I SAY MAN HAS DONE A LOT OF CHANGES TO FIT EVIL HABITS…(NAMED TRADITION)!! THE CHURCH HELD/INTERPRETED THAT “EARTH WAS CENTER” THE REST REVOLVED AROUND IT….BUT WHEN GALLILEO AND COPERNICUS SAID OTHERWISE …U KNOW THEIR FATE…

    THE NOTION “NO WOMEN PRIESTS” IS IN MY OPINION ANOTHER SUCH INTERPRETATION OF THE SCRIPTURES…..THUS MARTIN LUTHER WAS USED TO BREAK AWAY AND FREE SCIENTISTS AND HERALD THE AGE OF SCIENCE …MARTIN LUTHER WAS NOT A HYPOCRIT….HE WAS USED BY GOD TO CLEANSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OF FALSE MEN WHO CLAIMED PRIESTHOOD AND HOLY SPRIT CONTACT AND SPREAD MISDEEDS…SAD BUT THIS IS HISTORY…THUS I HAVE LITTLE FAITH IN WHAT THE CHURCH(ANY DENOMINATION) BELEIVES….ONLY ONE TRUTH EXISTS AND THAT IS WHY I TRY AND STICK TO THE SIMPLE INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBILE…NOT ONES WHICH ARE SEEMINGLY WILD …

    THE APOSTELS WERE DIRECT DISCIPLES OF CHRIST AND THEY WERE THE MOST HONOURABLE OF ALL….THEY HAD THE SPIRIT…BUT WHEN THEY LEFT FOR OTHER LANDS AND FINALLY WHEN THEIR DAYS ON EARTH WAS OVER…THEY LEFT BEHIND MALE LEADERS ALL OF WHOM DID NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT(AS MANY OF THE DIRECTLY APPOINTED HAD PASSED BEFORE GETTING A CHANCE TO NAME HIS SUCCESSOR….THUS IN MANY CASES MONEY OR PUBLIC POLL DECIDED WHO WOULD LEAD NEXT AND THE CONDITION OF HAVING THE SPIRIT/GODLY NATURE WAS FORGOTTEN) ….AND THUS THE ESSENCE OF CHRIST IS FOUND ONLY AS WRITTEN…..

    2000 YEARS SINCE MY MASTER LEFT THIS PLANET….2000 YEARS OF MANS INTERFERANCE…JUST ONE BLESSING OF JESUS SUSTAINS CHRISTANITY…”THE WORLD MAY GO BUT MY WORDS NEVER WILL” …THE ONLY MIRACLE OF JESUS WHOES EFFECT I SEE TODAY STILL LINGERS SO VIVIDLY!!!

    ORALLY SPOKEN TRUTH GETS DISTORTED SOON AS THE LINE IS POLLUTED BY THE EVIL ONE…ONLY WRITINGS ARE SAFE…THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS STILL TRUE ON THE BASIC TEACHINGS OF CHRIST…THE CREDIT GOES TO THE CHURCH TO PRESERVE THE ESSENCE…BUT SOME THINGS WICH BAR HALF OF GOD’S CREATION(WOMEN) MUST GO…..

    PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME …WHERE DOES YOUR CONVICTION COME FROM …THAT THIS IS THE REAL TRUE INTERPRETAION?? IS IT FAITH OR YOU HAVE SOME BACKING LIKE I HAVE IN MY CASE….I WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH AND IF YOU HAVE MORE DETAILS PLEASE SAY SO…I WILL POSE MY DOUBTS TO YOU…IF YOU CAN HELP ME CLEAR MY DOUBTS I WILL APPRETIATE YOUR WORDS…..WITH LOVE THAT WE ALL HAVE FOR OUR ONE COMMON MASTER…..PEACE AND LOVE BE WITH ALL…..

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