“then Job arose and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground and worshipped. and said, “naked came i out of my mothers womb and naked shall i return thither” job 1:20:,21 (ie. unto another womb).
BFHU: Interesting interpretation. However, the text says nothing about another womb. We KNOW we do not return to our birth mother’s womb but we do leave, a type of “going back” away from this life… naked.
This passage is not doctrinal teaching anyway but the quotation of some ancient poetry. So it needs to be read as poetry, not as prose or didactic teaching.
I think, in the context, the loss of material goods, the nakedness is the point. The point is not teaching about reincarnation. And, also, the going back could be interpreted “going back to the mother’s womb”, except that we know is not reality and it does not bolster the reincarnation idea. The fact is, you can’t go back to a place you have never been before (another womb)
but thou, bethlehem ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of judah, yet out of thee shall come forth unto me that is to be ruler in israle; whoes going forth have been from old, from everlasting” (micah 5:2)
BFHU: This is speaking about Jesus the eternal second person of the Holy Trinity who has existed eternally, therefore He has been “going forth from of old, from everlasting”
for all the prophets and the law prophesied until john. and if ye will receive it, this is elias,which was for to come. he that hath ears to hear, let him hear (matthew 11:13-15)
“and as they came came down from the mountain, jesus charged them,saying, tell the vision(of his transfiguration, in which he had revealed himself as the messiah) to no man, until the son of man be risen again from the dead. and his disciples asked him,saying, why then say the scribes that elias must first come? and jesus answered and said unto them, elias truely shall firs come, and restore all things. but i say into you, that elias is come already, and they knew him not,but have done unto him whatSoever they listed. likewise shall also the son of man suffer of them. then the diciples understood he spake onto them about john the baptist.” (matthew 17:9-13)
BFHU: In Malachi 3:23 There is the prophesy that Elijah will come before the day of the Lord. This does not mean that John the Baptist is the reincarnation of Elijah but that John is a great prophet in the spirit of Elijah–Luke 1:17
“He (John the baptist) will go before him in the spirit and power of Elijah to turn the hears of fathers toward children and the disobedient to the understaqnding of the righteous…”
“him that overcometh will i make a pillar in the temple of my god, and he shall go no more out”(revealation 3:12)
“GO OUT” TO EARTH TO BE REBORN TO MAKE THE LOVE FOR GOD PERFECT BY REMOVING FLAWS WHICH STAND IN THE WAY OF KNOWING GOD!!
BFHU: You are reading a huge interpretation into the verse in Rev. with nothing to support it.
CL: these sections are merely a few out of many which talks so frankly about reincarnation. so how come christians call it so pagan when the bible shouts out the message so clearly!!
BFHU: It is not clear and the Bible does not shout it at all. These verses have NO HISTORY of being interpreted the way you are interpreting them.
CL: now the historical fact: reincarnation is not un-christian or even un-jewish…it was taught by some of the early great christian fathers,
BFHU: Origen became apostate. His writings are not infallible but many of his early writings were very orthodox. Please cite your source so I can check up on your claim. I have all the writing of the Early Fathers on CD and they are also online. I will not accept your word for it that the early fathers accepted and taught reincarnation