1) what is a soul TO youself?? you say “my soul” as if you are different from the soul…then if you dont know your soul why care for it?? so 1stly define soul.
BFHU: That is just a way to speak of it. I am one but two natures–body and soul. The body will die the soul is eternal. At death the soul will be judged by what was done in the body. It will be consigned to Heaven or Hell and will go there immediately unless the soul must first be purified on its way to Heaven in Purgatory. At the end of time, after the final judgement the body will be resurrected and joined once again to the soul for all eternity either in Heaven or Hell. That should explain why I care for my soul.
2) what exactly do you mean by purifying the soul?? is it via pain or fear or loving guidance??
BFHU: Unpleasant. Pain is used to image this unpleasantness as in burning in fire. Regret, possibly very much sorrow. Fear? no b/c the soul knows it will be in Heaven. Loving guidance? I don’t think so. What it is exactly only God knows.
as far as i know there is no mention of purgatory and man made up the whole concept to cover up the illogical fear of eternal hell which in reality is not eternal anyway…just because no man can declare that he is going to heaven just before dying as the whole life is not obviously sinless, man created this place to make things fit!!
BFHU: No God taught it to us. The Jews believe also in a purification before Heaven. What is purified is the consequences of sin that are temporal. Jesus paid the eternal consequences for sin.
2) what do you mean by salvation?? answer this honestly to yourself !!
BFHU: Friendship with God and the opportunity to live with Him in Heaven for eternity rather than suffer in Hell.
is it an entry to heaven without suffering??
BFHU: No, we all suffer first to atone for the temporal consequences of sin, either in this life or the next, in Purgatory.
look i will make 2 situations to make you think: case 1 : you go to heaven….but ‘you” are “you” after death!! say you were an angry man before death and remain so after death too!! so you enter heaven….no more death to fear…all eternity of non-suffering(but mind you …what do you feel in life on earth when you have nothing interesting going on in life!! say a perfect trouble free period..BORED!! same in heaven in our example) so in heaven …millions of years,,,,u meet saints….god pops up to say hi and you declare eternal love to each other!! you meet jesus and know all mystries of the universe!! same old thing again and again and again!! years go by…no end…as no death!!! WHAT DO YOU DO IN HEAVEN?? WORSIHP GOD?? EVEN HE WILL WANT SILENCE AND PEACE THAN TO HEAR SHRILL VOICES CALL HIS NAME ALL THE TIME!! REMBER YOU CANT SHOUT FOR ALL ETERNITY…MADNESS TO SAY “I LOVE U GOD” -NON-STOP FOR ALL ETERNITY ..NON STOP AND GOD LOVES HEARING THAT!! what next!! you grow bored…fed up ?? is that heaven?? long long eternal time ..doing nothing…no job …only watching god and saints!! YOU HAVE A HOUSE IN HEAVEN?? OR MAYBE CAR TO TRAVEL?? OR MAYBE TENNNIS COURTS?? does it make sense?? or is it just not a fairy tale i am making up?? so if my story seems absurd then what do you say happens in heaven?? millions of years of boredome doing nothing but trying to show love to god?? how do you on earth show love?? by giving things….etc?? what does the lord of everything want from a mere you OTHER THAN THE FEELING OF LOVE INWARDLY THAT YOU HAVE?? you see …thus the concept of going to heaven after death and liviing a earth style life out there is as flawed as the fuuny concept of eternal hell!!
BFHU: Heaven will be more than we can think or ask. It won’t be boring and Hell won’t be funny. If you are right and there is reincarnation then my Christian faith will not cost me anything. But if I am right and there is a Heaven and a Hell then your Paganism will land you in eternal Hell. Why risk it?
i mentioned your anger to show how flawed the logic non-suffering in heaven is!! say someone stops your speech in heaven…your anger causes you to swear…and that causes suffering to the other person who dared to inturrupt!! so you DESTROYED heaven!! now you might say its impossible to enter heaven with a flawed nature as purgatory takes care of that!!
BFHU: Correct. We will not destroy Heaven by anger b/c we won’t have anything to be angry at since we shall all be perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect.
case 2: you have sinned bad and end up in hell!! now what!! fire all around you (by the way you have no body to feel fire..so you must explain as how a physical thing like fire can touch the soul) ..anyway so u feel say burnt up…and feel pain…for all eternity?? millions of years!! you hate god….you curse him for pain…and then call him and say tearfully …”you called me your own son?? even i would not put my own son on fire even if he commits the worst crime for ever!! why dont you listin to me!! ” according to you god has forsaken you right?? never to look upon you?? WHAT YOU CANNOT DO ON EARTH TO YOUR OWN SON GOD WILL DO TO HIS OWN SONS??? WILL YOU BE ABLE TO BURN SLOWLY YOUR OWN FELLOW HUMAN BEING SAY WHERE YOU ARE SITTING AND READING THIS!! NO YOU CANT!! HIS SUFFERNG WILL HORRIFY YOU TO STOP!! THINK ON WHAT POINT I WANT TO STRESS!!
BFHU: Fire is a metaphor most likely to illustrate the horror of damnation. God does not consign people to Hell they chose it by their life in the body.
and what about the millions of other non-christains??? are they not souls?? a creation of god??
BFHU: Of, course. God loves them too. they are His children as well.
is god so partial that some who are lucky to hear of christ gets a ticket to heaven ..while the child who dies without hearning about christ goes to hell!!
BFHU: You misunderstand b/c you have probably been more exposed to Protestant theology rather than Catholic theology. Each soul is judged based on its knowledge of God and what it did in response to that knowledge. Christians have the best map to Heaven but God judges on what we knew, not what we did not know. There is nothing about luck to it. God is love and mercy. A child who dies without hearing about Christ does not go to Hell. But the reality of God is KNOWN to all who have reached the age of reason.
The Wrath of God Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
THIS LOTTERY CONCEPT OF THE SPIRITUAL PATH IS A LIE!! billions have poppulated the earth and have died!! and more billions will come!! do you mean that all the trillions of people were new souls??
according to you …infinite number of souls will come and go….
what about your concept that salvation will come on the judgment day …all of a sudden as if in a flash??
BFHU: Yes. The day you die is your own personal Judgement Day…sudden or not.
say before J-DAY a soul comeS on earth!! LUCKY SOUL!! JUST A DAY TO KNOW GOD!!!
BFHU: Yes, many souls live a day or less.
WHILE billions of years waiting had to be sustained by the say 100000th soul on earth!! big partiality right?? now all this is FALWED!! MAKE NO SENSE!!
BFHU: No. God judges each on the individual facts. At death we, our souls, enter eternity. The conscious part of our being doesn’t wait billions of years or even thousands of years. Bodies, however may have to wait along time for resurrection.
and pugatory?? say smoking is a sin !!
BFHU: Smoking is not a sin.
a man smokes and thus in purgatory he is to be de-addicted!! so god inflicts him with pain..fear…andfinally when the sou breaks down…and changes….
BFHU: Purgatory is not for convincing someone to change. At death their chances end. Purgatory is only for those who die in friendship with God and desire to please Him and be purified. Purgatory is not coercive, it is purifying. The soul though suffering is joyful b/c it knows it will soon be in Heaven.
HEAVENLY TICKIT COMES!! but satan tempts!! the joy of smoke is too good..but purgetory fear rules and te man rejects the smoke!! but next day god to test the man’s heart and sincierity tells the man that for a day smoking is legal and no sin is there to smoke!! thus the man takes the cigar from gods hand and tells him what a pleasure it is!! god relizes that fear had only changed the heart temporarily!! it was only fear that was preventing the man from cigars!!1 purgatory had failed!! so you may be forced to supress anger to go to heaven!! but anger kills inside iF it cannot be experesed!! so do you think now BHFU THAT CHANGE COMES THROUGH FEAR??
BFHU: No. There is no temptation in Heaven. All attachements to sin are purged in Purgatory so there no longer remains any desire to sin even if one were tempted b/c the fulness of human nature is restored and love for God reigns over the soul.
HOW VAST CAN BE HEAVEN??
BFHU: As vast as it needs to be. All things are possible with God.
DO YOU THINK YOU WILL HAVE A BODY WHEN YOU DIE TO WALK WITH??(DONT TRY TO ANSWER THIS..ITS COMPLEX)
BFHU: Yes, at the end of time. Our bodies will be reunited to our souls. Not complex really.
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