When Did Jesus Teach Communion was His Flesh and Blood?

Q. Did Christ or the Apostles: Teach us that the communion supper should be imagined as real human flesh and blood?

BFHU: ABOLUTELY! Right here in John 6 :

John 6: 47“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
48″I am the bread of life 49″Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.
50″This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.
51″I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.” 52Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”
53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
54“He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
55″For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.
56″He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
57″As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.
58″This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.”

Q. Remember Christ said His words are spirit (i.e. spiritually symbolic and important), the spirit gives life Jn 6:63.
BFHU Exactly, but the Spirit is in NO WAY just a symbol. Spiritual does NOT equal Symbolic. That which is spiritual is an unseen reality. It is in NO WAY equivalent to a symbol or symbolism in any way. We do not believe that the third person of the Holy Trinity is the Holy Symbol.

Q. We eat Christ spiritually, not physically like cannibals.
BFHU True that it is not cannibalistic. But neither is it symbolic. That would be contradictory. In the Aramaic language that Jesus spoke, to symbolically “eat the flesh” or “drink the blood” of someone meant to persecute and assault him. Did you know that there are several places in the Bible where “eating flesh and drinking blood” is used in a symbolic or metaphorical way? Lets take a look at what this phrase means when it is used metaphorically as opposed to literally.

Psalm 27:2 When evil men advance against me to devour my flesh, when my enemies and my foes attack me…”
Micah 3:2-3 you who hate good and love evil;…who eat my people’s flesh…
Rev 17: 6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
Rev. 17:16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

So, we see that when “eating flesh” and “drinking blood” is used metaphorically or symbolically in the Bible it means destruction and murder. And it is still true today. If you got a letter that said someone wanted “to eat your flesh and drink your blood” you would take it as an evil threat of some kind and not an invitation to loving communion. Jesus was speaking literally in John 6 but no one would know just what He had in mind until the Last Supper. Communion in His body and blood is literal but not cannibalistic. Jesus feeds us spiritually with Bread from Heaven. Only the faithful stayed with him. Only faith helps us believe Him.

Q. He is the bread from heaven. Spiritually. Remember, many of His disciples left Him that day because they thought He was saying to literally eat His body. Jn 6:66

BFHU: Exactly! Many left Him BECAUSE THEY KNEW HE WAS SPEAKING LITERALLY AND NOT SPIRITUALLY OR SYMBOLICALLY. Did you know that in the Greek, when people began to question His seeming cannibalism, he switched from a general word for “eat” to a word that means “chew” or “gnaw.” Jesus did not try to explain in any way that he was not speaking literally. And unfortunately, Protestants have left Him over this as well.

10 Responses

  1. The Catholic Church teaches that Mary was. . .

    1) born of an immaculate conception (i.e., born without sin)

    2) the mother of God

    3) a perpetual virgin, never having been touched by her husband, Joseph (i.e., no sex)

    4) assumed into Heaven without dying

    Assuming all these are true in the eyes of the Catholic Church, they still go against Scripture. For instance. . .

    1) God says in Rom. 3:23 and 5:12 that ALL are under the curse of sin. That “none [are] righteous” (Rom. 3:10.) The CC says that Mary was “preemptively” saved, i.e., saved before birth from sin, since she was to be chosen to carry the Word made flesh and that no sinner can give birth to a sinless child if we all fall under the curse thru conception. The only problem with this is GOD’S OWN WORDS make the CC’s dogma a lie (1 John 1:8, 10.) Mary even said in Luke 1:47 that she needed a savior. Only SINNERS need a SAVIOR.

    2) Technically, this is true, seeing as Jesus is God in the flesh and required a human woman to bring Him into the world. But since Jesus was since before the foundation of the world (Psa. 90:2, 93:2; 1 Pet. 1:20; John 8:58), it makes a weak reason for such a title. Also, Jesus Himself said who His mother would be considered as in Matt. 12:50.

    3) Matt. 1:25 says that Joseph didn’t know (consumate his union) with Mary UNTIL after the birth of Jesus. The word “until” shows that Joseph obeyed God and waited so as not to touch Mary (have sex with her) because to do so would defile her womb and introduce the sin curse thru Joseph’s seed (sperm), thus contaminating the Child and, in essence, screwing up God’s plan for mankind’s redemption.

    4) Nowhere in the Bible does it speak of ANYONE being assumed into Heaven without dying, save only Elijah and Enoch. God even tells us what happens when we die in Ecc. 12:7. Only the spirit, or the Breath of Life, returns to God. Not the whole body.

    • your analysis are quite impressive. however i must correct you on some points
      1) probably the most important of all YES mary is the mother of God seeing as she is the mother of Jesus who is God the son, there is nothing like technically she is the mother of God.its either she is or she isnt, and most definitely she is.
      2) Yes mary was assumed into heaven BODY AND SOUL. you say the bible doesnt speak of ANYONE(in block letters for that matter) assumed into heaven except elijah and enoch.i dont think that makes much sense honestly. enoch and elijah were assumed into heaven pure and simple. the bible has no record of mary being assumed yet there are many many things that are not recorded in the bible say the matrydom of peter and paul in rome for example. Jesus gave us 10 commandments, its not a coincidence that honour your father and mother is one of them.Jesus honoured his mother every minute of his life. what honour is there if he lets her body rot away in the grave. you love and honour your mum i believe(well i do mine), if you had the power to some how prevent your mum’s body from decaying wouldnt you do it?if God considered enoch and elijah holy enough to assume them body and soul into heaven i think it only makes sense that mary was also assumed AND indeed crowned as the queen of heaven. u may want to take a look at revelations 12 from verse 1 till you are convinced

  2. just to distinguish between the poster and myself the replier(if there’s such a word in the dictionary).. we are both paul..i am paul young from nigeria.. thank you all

  3. Why would Jesus be worried in any way about his mother’s body rotting in the grave, when HE knows as well as most Christians should know, that upon the second of death our souls depart our bodies. The body is of no use to us and since Jesus knew it would be of no use to her any longer, why would he be concerned with the rotting of it. Did he use it as a sign for others, possibly, but your rotting argument doesn’t hold much weight. Also while Mary, may or may not be the Queen of heaven, the one thing I question is why would she in any way want to take away from her son. Why would she want people praying the rosary with special intention drawn to her, instead of just praying to her son. If we are going to talk about our earthly families, I am a mother, and if my son was Jesus, the only thing I would want, would be to ALWAYS stay in the background and direct his children to HIM, not distract them with prayers or beads that use MY name over and over and reflect so strongly on ME and lead to a lot of worshipers, whether intentional or not, of myself. You may tell us that Catholic’s don’t worship Mary, they just ask for her intercession, I am here to tell you , that thousands if not millions of people pray TO Mary asking for HER Favor and seeking the promise of Salvation that is said to be granted to those who pray it faithfully. If you are unfamiliar do some research on the 15 promises of The Blessed Virgin Mary to those who pray the Rosary.

    • very nice argument kathy. i am going to assume u are protestant for simplicity(forgive & correct me if i am wrong)..
      firstly i must remind you that martin luther who is d founding father of protestantism believed strongly everything catholics believe about Mary. i’l copy some of his quotes for u as evidence.
      ”It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin”
      ”She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin—something exceedingly great. For God’s grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil”.
      ”The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart.”
      ”One should honor Mary as she herself wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God’s grace…Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the sake of Christ…Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God”
      Not only luther believed all this but also all the other founders of protestantism as well Calvin, Zwingli, Cranmer…so where along the line did protestants lose all this beautiful teachings of their founding fathers???
      As for the rosary, sorry but u are very wrong. its not about Mary, instead it is rather about guess who…Jesus.but then again how can you talk about Jesus without talking about Mary.if u research properly u wil c that the rosary has 4 mysteries: joyful, luminous, sorrowful and glorious(notice its a cycle of Jesus life from when angel Gabriel announced to Mary to the baptism of Jesus to the agony in the garden to his glorious resurrection). its more like a story of the life of Jesus, from Mary’s point of view. when u pray the rosary you re-live the life of Jesus.it is d most beautiful prayer ever believe me..As for the hail mary u can find most of it in the bible luke 1:41-44. i’l copy it for you also for evidence
      Now it happened that as soon as Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the child leapt in her womb and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.She gave a loud cry and said, ‘Of all women you are the most blessed, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.*Why should I be honoured with a visit from the mother of my Lord?* Look, the moment your greeting reached my ears, the child in my womb leapt for joy. This child who leapt for joy is John the baptist a man who was holy enough to baptise Jesus.
      lastly, i’l round up with my personal favorite john 2:3-
      And they ran out of wine, since the wine provided for the feast had all been used, and the mother of Jesus said to him, ‘They have no wine.’Jesus said, ‘Woman, what do you want from me? My hour has not come yet.’His mother said to the servants, ‘Do whatever he tells you.we all know the rest of d story..notice how Jesus tells her ‘woman,what do you want from me?my hour has not come yet’.at this point Jesus had worked absolutely NO miracles, he had barely even started his ministry. notice how powerful his mother was in making him do something when he didnt want to.notice she didnt even plead with him, she just told his disciples to do whatever he asks them to do. i call that confidence, she was so confident that she cant ask her son for something and he wouldnt do it, even if he didnt want to do it. Thats the same way we ask for intercession from mary, just as she interceeded for the wedding hosts, so also shall she interceed for us her children

  4. Tnx 4 enlighting my spirit

  5. Mary did die an earthly death, she also rose on the third day; God blessed her in this way, allowing her to share in our Lord’s death and resurrection. We in fact know where she was buried: in the Tomb of the Theotokos in Jerusalem. The Dormition happened, and nothing is more annoying than Catholics(who really should know better) saying otherwise.

    • Is this in the Catechism? I have been taught that….”at the end of her life Mary was assumed into Heaven.” and that the Catholic Church has not definitively said whether she died, in union with her Son or did not die since she was immaculate.

      I would be interested in authoritative information.

      • You are right, Pam. There are two strong small “t” traditions but the Church does not align with neither. All we know is that Mary’s physical body is “preserved from corruption” by being taken to heaven either at the point of death or very shortly after her earthly life was over. Everything else is just pure theological speculations.

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