How Can A Man Be Infallible?



Q. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” Paul to Timothy in (2) Timothy 3v16.
A. I love this verse but I am not sure why you have quoted it here.

Q. When I said: “how can the decrees or words of any man be infallible…?” I was not referring to scripture “for the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2Pet.1v21)

A. Would you say that these holy men spoke infallibly?

Q. If the Bible is the Word of God – then clearly it must be infallible.
A. An atheist would not say it is clearly infallible. It does not seem to be infallible when speaking about scientific things according to man’s knowledge of the universe now. We believe it is inerrant when it refers to faith and morals. I think we agree on this. This is the same way God makes the Pope infallible. He doesn’t make him infallible in everything, only in what is important about faith and morals. I wish you would read my post, Infallible?

Q. Also, it is a serious matter to interfere with scriptures – either to add to it or to take away from it, as we are reminded in Rev. 22v18&19.
A. Of course it is a serious matter to interfere with scriptures but I think you are interpreting Rev. incorrectly. But did you know that the Old Testament says the same thing.

Deuteronomy 4:2” You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Prov. 30:5 Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. 6 Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.

And if you interpret these verses exactly like you are interpreting the passage in Revelation, then that would make the New Testament anathema, because it adds to the Old Testament scriptures.

Did you know Martin Luther removed seven books from the Old Testament? He also removed seven books from the New Testament that contradicted his theology but later returned the New Testament books. But Protestants are still missing seven Old Testament books from the Christian Bible used for 1500 years before Martin Luther.

Q. As for scriptures being written by “sinful men,” they were clearly not sinful, if they were “moved by the Holy Ghost.”
A. Do you believe that in order to write infallibly a man would have to be sinless? Don’t you think a person could be moved by the Holy Ghost to write infallibly without being immaculate? We do believe that the writers of scripture were empowered by God to write inerrantly?

We do not believe they had to be sinless in order to do this. We believe Jesus and Mary His mother were immaculate but neither of them wrote any of the scriptures.

So, you see, you DO believe that God is able to cause a man to be infallible, also. The only difference is that you limit this infallibility to the writing of scripture. We do not.

I see you also believe, along with us, that God is able to make a human being sinless. You believe that all the writers of scripture were sinless. We do not. We believe only Mary was immaculate.

Q. Psalm 1 reminds us that “the ungodly shall not stand in the judgement nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.” Bfhu, those people you originally encountered before you adopted Catholicism would have preached a “sinning religion.” Nowhere in God’s Word have I ever encountered His servants being referred to as “sinners,” yet this term is now used extensively throughout the world.

A. That is true but I believe it is used in deference to the fact that even though we are Christian we still fall short and commit sin every day.

Proverbs 24:16 for though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again, but the wicked are brought down by calamity.

Q. In Eph. 4v6 we read that there is “One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” If Jesus plainly says: “Call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven,” (Matt. 23v9) then I must obey His commandment.

A. Then do you call your father, “father”? Also, let’s look at that passage in context.

Matt 23: 8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,‘ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ.

Do you call teachers, “teacher”? Would you call a Jewish rabbi, “rabbi”? Please read this post: Call No Man Father

And you will see that Paul calls himself a spiritual father to those he begot to eternal life. And, even Jesus Himself calls a man Father, and He is NOT referring to God. Stephen calls men who were spiritual leaders, “fathers”. Therefore, the interpretation of this verse to condemn the Catholic practice of addressing our priests as “Father” must be incorrect. The Catholic Church is actually following scripture by calling the men who are used by God to beget children unto Eternal Life, Father.

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4 Responses

  1. Dear bfhu,

    I wanted to comment on a couple of things you said above.

    You said,

    A. An atheist would not say it (The Bible) is clearly infallible. It (The Bible) does not seem to be infallible when speaking about scientific things according to man’s knowledge of the universe now. We believe it is inerrant when it refers to faith and morals. I think we agree on this. This is the same way God makes the Pope infallible. He doesn’t make him infallible in everything, only in what is important about faith and morals. I wish you would read my post, Infallible?

    I am wondering how it is that you think that the Bible is wrong about scientific matters. It seems to me that the Scriptures are inerrant in all things, including science and philosophy. If this were not true then Jesus and the Apostles would be liars. Do you believe that Jesus and His Apostles are liars? I can find plenty of plain statements within the Scriptures that say that the Scriptures are true, period, end of story. Passages like John 10: 35-36 where Jesus said, “35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN), 36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?” I believe that modern man’s “scientific” conclusions that they draw from whatever “scientific” evidence they may have may contradict the Scriptures, but I believe that their conclusions are flawed.

    For example, their conclusion that the earth is very old is erroneous. I believe God rather than man, and there is not way that they can demonstrate that the Universe is any older than the Bible indicates.

    Another example would be their so-called “Theory of Evolution.” This is a theory in name only because there is not good evidence for it. In fact, there is a law of science called the “Law of Biogenesis” which is a law of science because all the facts from hundreds of years of scientific inquiry support it. There are no scientific facts that contradict it. This law states that all life comes from preceding life, and that after its own kind. However, the “Theory of Evolution” states that all life comes from some different form of life and ultimately from non-life. The two main tenets of the “Theory” of Evolution contradicts the two tenets of the “Law of Biogenesis”. The “Law of Biogenesis” is a scientific law, while the Theory of Evolution is a fantasy. It does not even qualify as an hypothesis.

    Concerning your statement:

    “Did you know Martin Luther removed seven books from the Old Testament? He also removed seven books from the New Testament that contradicted his theology but later returned the New Testament books. But Protestants are still missing seven Old Testament books from the Christian Bible used for 1500 years before Martin Luther”

    It is interesting to note that the Jews did not consider these books to be Scripture and neither Jesus nor His Apostles ever corrected them for this. That is because they were not in error here. These seven books of the Old Testament you refer to were not considered Scripture until some fell into apostasy.

    Much more could be said. Thank you for your time.

    Sincerely,

    Joe

  2. Dear Joe,

    The idea of the arrangement of the universe seems to contradict current scientific knowledge. But it may be proven to be correct as science advances. And no I am not convinced at all that the earth is as old as some scientists claim. But even if it were it may have existed for millenia before God created life on it.

    The Jews at the time of Jesus certainly did accept the septuagint/Greek OT. And Jesus seems to have quoted more from it than from the Hebrew Scriptures. The Pharisees removed seven OT books 100 years after Jesus was born. If you and all the rest of Protestantism want to follow the Pharisees, be my guest.

    • Dear bfhu,

      So, are you saying that you believe the Scriptures contradict science and are therefore wrong?

      Are you waiting for science to tell you what is true?Or does the Pope tell you?

      If, in your estimation, science proves the Scriptures wrong, doesn’t that mean that God got it wrong?

      • Dear Joe,

        I was taught that the Scriptures are true and inerrant regarding faith and morals not necessarily in regards to science. The two Genesis accounts of creation, for instance give a different order about the creation of creatures.

        BFHU No, Science knows nothing about Christianity nor does it claim to.

        The pope tells us nothing new about what is true regarding faith and morals.

        Science can never prove the scriptures wrong regarding our faith.

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