Where do Catholics Get Unscriptural Beliefs?

Simon: If all religious truth is not found in scripture then where are you finding your “religious truth” from?

Bread From Heaven: You have asked a good question.The Catholic Church is the original Christian Church. Our beliefs have been in existence for 2000 years because Jesus taught the Apostles and the Apostles taught others what Jesus had taught them. The apostles wrote some of these teachings down and these became the books of the New Testament. The rest of what Jesus taught the Apostles became what we call Sacred Tradition. When the Catholic Church talks about Tradition we mean nothing less than the teaching of the Apostles.

Simon:  If something aint in scripture does that mean u can just make things up?

Bread From Heaven: The Catholic Church does not make anything up. If she did the American culture would be happier with the Catholic Church b/c then she could approve of contraception, homosexual marriage, abortion, divorce, and women priests. But she cannot change what Jesus taught the apostles.

The Scripture tells us that everything Jesus did could not be written down b/c the world could not contain the books.

John 20:30 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
John 21: 25_And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written._

And St. Paul exhorts Christians to cling to the Traditions they were taught by him both written and oral. And that is exactly what the Catholic Church does.

I Cor 11: 2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Thessalonians 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Simon: Catholics practice things that aint in scripture

Bread From Heaven: Our beliefs neither pose a problem with any facts that I know of nor do they contradict or oppose scripture. Our beliefs and our interpretation of scripture DO, however, contradict Protestant interpretation of scripture. We are not concerned about these contradictions because Jesus founded the Catholic Church. All the non Catholic Christian denominations were founded by men, and most of them are 500 years old or less. Our church is 2000 years old. What most Protestants don’t think about is the the doctrine that all religious truth must be found in Scripture is a Protestant Tradition of Men. It is nowhere to be found in Scripture.

Simon: This is a classic response many catholics use when they are unable to answer a question presentented to them with facts and scripture to back it up.

Bread From Heaven: I am sure that is how it seems to you but the fact is Sola Scriptura-Scripture Alone is NOT scriptural. So, Protestants try to undermine Catholic beliefs by pointing out that what they believe is not spelled out in Scripture. Protestants think that this should be a death blow to Catholic beliefs because Sola Scriptura is the foundation upon which they think they built everything they believe. They mistakenly think that their Church does not believe anything that cannot be found explicitly in Scripture. And they have never realized that Sola Scriptura cannot be found in Scripture.

Our Catholic beliefs are historic and go all the way back to Jesus and the Apostles. And since Scripture does NOT spell out the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, because it did not exist until Martin Luther rebelled against the Catholic Church and invented it, the Catholic Church is NOT obligated to obey it, Martin Luther, or Protestant scripture interpretation.


15 Responses

  1. I will say this by having a POPE or office as such, said that Jesus is not really the Christ.
    That is the difference
    I believe Jesus is the Christ not the Pope.
    Christ meaning Anointed One or representative to Earth or even a theological perspective incarnate.

    I do not need a Pope, My representative from God came over 2,000 years ago and His words that were made known are in a collection of Letters and Books called the Bible.

    Latin rite does not trump Scripture.

    I belive In Jesus not Pope so and so

    The Roman and Holy Roman Empires are dead lets keep them that shall we.

    • Robo: I will say this by having a POPE or office as such, said that Jesus is not really the Christ.

      Bread From Heaven: This is just your opinion. Since when does having a vice president mean the president is non-existent or no meaning?

      Uhmmmm….Jesus is the Christ not the Pope. Did you think we thought the Pope was the Christ? Wow! Where do Protestants get this stuff. It certainly is not in the Bible.

      I need a Pope b/c I am not able to interpret the Bible infallibly and better than those who knew Jesus and/or His apostles.

      The Latin Rite does not trump scripture or even contradict anything in scripture. The Catholic Faith merely contradicts various interpretations of scripture unhinged from historic Christianity. So I think we agree more than we disagree. 🙂

    • Roboman40: Will say this by having a POPE or office as such, said that Jesus is not really the Christ. That is the difference

      Comment: You are misinformed, it seems hard for you to see that during so many ages the so-called Church has understood the Gospel differently.

      Roboman40: My representative from God came over 2,000 years ago and His words that were made known are in a collection of Letters and Books called the Bible.

      Comment: Two thousand years ago there was no written Gospel only a teaching Church, you received your Bible from the very same Church.

      Roboman40: The Roman and Holy Roman Empires are dead lets keep them that shall we.

      Comment: You are right, but the Church of the ages is still alive and kicking.

      • “Roboman40: My representative from God came over 2,000 years ago and His words that were made known are in a collection of Letters and Books called the Bible.

        Comment: Two thousand years ago there was no written Gospel only a teaching Church, you received your Bible from the very same Church.”

        Its what we Call the Old testament , did not Jesus Teach from the O.T.
        and were there not things written about Him in the O.T.?

        Jesus said:” The Oracles of God Testify of Me but you still do not believe”

        Wasn’t Jesus their in the beginning with Father before anything was made? Jesus wasn’t made ,no beginning no end?

  2. “Words must be Spoken before than can be written”

  3. call no man father, in the last days they will forbid marriage and eating of certain meats, baptism is immerse never once was someone sprinkled, mary
    is a women chosen she had no clue the angel was coming. She has sin and will stand at the judgement seat. no one can be prayed into heaven. At mass
    it is said”and he will come in glory to judge the living and the dead. That puts so called saints in a place beides the grave.the B-I-B-L-E says we are all saints.

  4. I have responded to these comments over and over and over. If you would like to know the Catholic response to these Protestant myths, and misrepresentations of Catholicism. I would encourage you to explore the pertinent topics in the Category Cloud or do a search of this blog.

    We are all saints. The Catholic Church does NOT teach otherwise. Our Saints, with a capital “S” are individual people who lived heroic lives of sanctity. But we in no way think that these are the only ones. Many holy Saints lived lives of love of God in obscurity. We will get to know them in Heaven.

  5. the pope is not holy marry is not someone we should pray to nor any apostles. salvation is not abtainted by baptism. you do not have to confess your sins to a priest for the forgiveness of sins. you cannot sustain salvation through good works.

    mark 10:18 “jesus answered why do you call me good? no one is good except god alone” (if jesus himself was humble and said he was not even good, then how can a mere man be holy Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fallen short the glory of god)

    no where in the bible does it say that we should pray to anyone but god, he is the one who answers, he is the beginning and end. he alone is worthy of honor and praise, not marry or any other saint/apostle

    Romans 10:9-10 “That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. this is the way to salvation baptism is what follows

    Acts 3:19
    19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,
    (the only way to be forgiven of sin is prayer to god, that’s why jesus died on the cross so we can pray directly to god instead of having to sacrifice animals or confess to a preist Ephesians 3:12
    In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence.)

    Ephesians 2:8-9
    8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. (no one can earn salvation it is a gift of god)

  6. Mass theological study aside & getting back to Christ Himself, Jesus came to be the mediator between man & God (to put it over sinply)- He abolished the need for Levitical priests because He became our Great High Priest, who died once for all sins & continually intercedes on our behalf to the Father.
    Because of this, we as Jew or gentile, can pray directly to the Father in heaven (as Jesus taught in the LORD’S prayer).
    God alone (including Jesus as the Son) has authority to forgive sins & cleanse us. (Jesus was crucified because by forgiving sins He made Himself out to be equal with the Father & the Jews saw that as utter heresy).

    What I observe from Catholicism is that a priest is given an position where he forgives the sins of those giving confession – thus assuming some equality with God Himself and also interfering with the direct relationship that mankind can now have, prayerfully, with the Father.

    I find this most troubling because if Jesus ended the requirement for any priest by becoming not just the ultimate priest but also the ultimate & perfect sacrifice, Catholicism seems to be going back on Christ’s words & Holy actions – the very words & actions of God Himself.
    The further danger comes when believers in Christ forsake personal study of God’s word in favour of one man (the Pope), who is seen to be infallible. This comes across as one step even further than reinstating unnecessary priests & trumps any hope of discovering truth & relationship through fellowship & study & becomes a blind following.

    Paul & the other saints were not infallible & rebuked anyone who said they were – they even said that if they or even an angel (!) Was bringing a message that contradicted Scripture then they were not to be listened to. I really can’t honestly see that an order of old men, born from humanity, can dare give themselves that estate in the face of God’s perfection.

    I would encourage every single person that professes Christ as LORD to earnestly seek the counsel of the Holy Spirit through prayerful study of Scripture & fellowship. Every single one of us – so that beholding the glory God, we will be transformed in understanding from one degree of glory to another.

    Grace & peace.

    • Dear Tamsin,

      A Catholic Priest does not forgive sins on his own authority but only as a representative of Christ. As Jesus told the Apostles, the first priests,

      John 20:21-23

      21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.

      A Catholic priest is merely a man and absolutely is NOT in any way equal to God. He is merely God’s representative to His Faithful. He only forgives sins on the authority of God and Christ.

      Where in Sacred Scripture does it say that Jesus abolished the priesthood? In order to have a High Priest there must be lower priests, correct? The Levitical priesthood as the sacrifiers of animals He abolished, but he ordained His disciples as the first priests. The main purpose of priests is to offer sacrifice and that is what our priests do. But the sacrifice, Catholic priests offer is that ONE sacrifice of Jesus Christ making present to us in time His Body and His Blood.

      Jesus did not abolish the priesthood. On what scripture do you assert this?

      We may certainly pray and commune directly with Jesus and the Trinity.

      The Pope is merely an instrument of God to safeguard the Faith and doctrine. In Catholicism we have One Church, One Faith.

      But in Protestantism every person is his own authority and the One Faith is shattered into thousands of factions of Christianity.

      Catholics read and study Scripture in union with the Church not on their own authority. As St. Paul forbids

      2 Peter 1:20

      20 First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,

      Nothing the Catholic Church teaches may contradict Scripture! If it does that would disqualify it right away. But this does not mean that your private interpretation of scripture is infallible and therefore is able to disqualify Catholic teaching. Only historical understanding and interpretaton of scripture may be considered.

      I too encourage you to seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It does not make sense that the Holy Spirit teaches anything contradictory from the beginning. Look up historically to find out what the first Christians believed. We all want to be in the Church founded by Jesus Christ. Because He did Found a Church.

      Matthew 16:18

      18 And I tell you, you are Peter,and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of deathshall not prevail against it.

      • Read the book of Hebrews to understand about Jesus being our great high priest& the only priest we need.
        Your interpretation of Scripture in forgiveness of sins is very strange. The apostles were still mere humans that had just received the Holy Spirit-the context here is much different to just forgiving sins here & there.
        As it happens, at pentecost the Holy Spirit was gifted to the believers who had gathered together in Acts 2 & the Holy Spirit is still gifted to be present with every single believer today, otherwise we would never be able to bear the fruit of the Spirit – we need His constant presence within us or we just slide back into our sinfully desires.
        Your doctrine fails to see the point of the entire old testament that foretells the coming of Christ & prophecies of His perfect accomplishment.
        Jesus said “it is finished” on the cross – He fulfilled the law, the old covenant & freed mankind from their own flawed ability because ALL have sinned & fall short of the glory of God.
        If we dare to believe that some men areas higher than others then we get completely messed up in our understanding – God uses our own weaknesses to display His strength. None of us can boast in any gifts power or wisdom but only in Christ & His work. The Pope & Catholic priests hold a worldly authority & are revered by people but if our leaders aren’t prepared to serve rather than be served then it’s just a worldly hierarchy.

        Christ the Saviour is treasured in my heart & is the most important part of my & my husband’s life. He is transforming us day by day & guiding our study of His word because He leads us into understanding & doesn’t leave it up to a puffed up man in a robe who was elected by other men. We fellowship & pray with other Christians & correct one another to ensure we are in line with Scripture.

        I will continue to seek His wisdom

  7. Dear Tamsin,
    I am aware that Jesus is our High Priest. But what scripture do you think has abolished priesthood and asserts that Jesus is “the only priest we need”? So far this is merely your opinion and certainly not binding on me let alone the Church founded by Jesus 2000 years ago.

    The Catholic Church teaches that the Holy Spirit is given to all the faithful in Baptism. But in John, BEFORE the bestowal of the Holy Spirit Jesus gives them the Holy Spirit in a special dispensation just for the apostles, the first priests, to empower them to hear confession and forgive (or not) sin. The apostles are mere men but Jesus deputized them to do this on earth, in time, in His physical absence.

    I am glad to hear about your daily seeking of Our Lord in prayer and Bible study. I hope you will seek the Truth no matter where it leads.

    • No ill intent has been meant by any of my comments – sorry if anything has come across as such. Writing never quite expresses as accurately as speaking.

      I am open to hearing from the LORD & will change anything I believe if I am led to a renewed understanding of our God, that is in line with all He is & never just by my own brain work or words of another person. I think it’s important that we never think we’ll know it all – myself included.

      As January approaches, let’s both pray that God will continue to guide us & lead us in all truth for His glory & purpose.
      Grace & peace.

  8. Dear Tamsin,
    Grace and peace to you as well. You did not say anything that offended me. I totally understand where you are coming from because I used to be a very devout sola Scriptura Protestant myself.

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