TRADITION


James: My favorite verse in The Bible is John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes onto The Father but by Me. Notice, that it doesn’t say except for the Catholics that hold to THEIR OWN TRADITIONS!

Bread From Heaven: The Catholic Church is the Fulness of Christian Faith. Jesus taught the Apostles. And the Apostles taught “faithful men able to teach”. All that Jesus taught them they taught the faithful. They even wrote down many of these teachings and many events in the life of Jesus. But they did not write all that Jesus did and taught because as St. John says “the world could not contain the books” if they were to try to do that.

John 20:30 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

John 21: 25_And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written._

James:In the book of Timothy 2:5 for there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Bread From Heaven: AGREED! Only Jesus mediates salvation. Mary and the Saints are intercessory pray-ers

James: The Bible also tells us; because they HOLD to their TRADITIONS, they make the word of God VOID. So, you see here that the pope uses the word of God but mixes God’s truth with his own catholic traditions. This is only one of many ways we are deceived by catholic teachings.

Bread From Heaven: The Pope does not use “the word of God but mixes God’s truth with his own catholic traditions.” First of all, all that the Apostles taught is Sacred Tradition. Some of it got written down earlier while most of it was taught and passed down by word of mouth. Are you aware there was NO INFALLIBLE CANON OF SCRIPTURE FOR 400 YEARS AFTER JESUS WAS BORN? There is no mixture, it is all TRUTH as taught to the Apostles by Jesus. Even St. Paul exhorts us:

I Cor 11:2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us..

2 Thessalonians 3:6 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

I think you will agree that St. Paul is speaking of Sacred Tradition as opposed to the “traditions of men” Jesus was talking about. Notice in the actual scripture that the condemned traditions; the “traditions of men” does not mean any and all traditions but only the ones that lead to breaking of the commandments of God.

Matthew 15:1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”

3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.

Catholic Tradition is not at all anything like the “tradition of man”. It is nothing less than the Words of Jesus as taught to His disciples. That is why we hold it equal to the written tradition commonly referred to as the Bible.

James: The Bible also tells us that the priest must confess his sins to God because the priest is also a sinner!

Bread From Heaven: I am curious. Why did you mention that our priests are sinners? Has someone taught you that we do not believe that they are sinners? How could anyone teach that with a straight face? If anyone knows that Catholic priests are sinners it is the Catholic faithful. Of course there are many holy priests but everyone knows that priests are not exempt from sin. And believe me our priests also know they are sinners. They must go to confession just like us. Even the Pope goes to confession every week. Not because he has deadly sins to confess but to receive the sacramental grace of the confession of venial sin, to aid in the growth of holiness.

James: We can now see the void of false but maybe sincere catholic traditions have done to all of the catholic controlled Nations, such as the Philippines and all of the South American Countries. How can we think that we are God’s Children yet be # 1 in poverty and every criminal activity. Corruption is worst in the catholic countries than in most of the communist countries

Bread From Heaven: Your contention that Catholic countries are the most corrupt and worst in crime does not prove anything. Except, perhaps as noted by Surkiko, that:

Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

If you were The Enemy of Christ, which countries would YOU concentrate on?
The Catholic Countries or the pagan ones? But we know that Christ will be victorious in the end.

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4 Responses

  1. Hello. I think you’ll find that James is getting confused with the Jewish traditions extant at the time of Jesus with the tradition of the apostles which saved the gospel he quotes for nearly 400 years. But I should think that you know that. He also blames The Church for the poverty which is the result of politics. Without The Church those countries would be so much more worse off.

    Keep up the good work.

  2. Here is a little more Tradition for you:

    TODAY’S GALATIANS

    “O you senseless Galatians,” cries out St Paul (Gal.III, 1), tearing a strip off one of his beloved flocks that was back-sliding, or wanting to go back from the New Testament to the Old Testament so as to satisfy Judaizers that would make them serve again “under the elements of the world” (IV, 3).

    It is remarkably easy to apply the Apostle’s tirade to the Traditional Catholics who are presently being tempted to slide back under Conciliar authorities so as to satisfy Nostra Aetate.

    But then it is the same world, flesh and devil, so with apologies to St Paul, let me adapt some verses from the Epistle to our own times:–

    “O you senseless Tradcats !

    Who has bewitched you, that you should not follow the Tradition of Our Lord Jesus Christ, as it has been set before you ?

    This only would I learn of you: have you been leading Catholic lives for several years thanks to Vatican II, or thanks to Catholic Tradition ?

    Are you so foolish that having experienced the fruits of Tradition you now want to give it up by putting yourselves back under the Conciliar authorities ?

    Were all those fruits in vain (III, 1-4) ?

    “I am astonished that you are so soon drifting away from the line of Archbishop Lefebvre who called you into the grace of Christ, and instead towards the new gospel of Vatican II, which is no gospel at all, but these modernists are troubling you, and they want to pervert the Gospel of Christ. But if ourselves or an angel from Heaven were to try to tell you that the Council was not really that bad, throw him out and don’t listen ! Let me say it again: anyone pretending that the Archbishop would have been in favour of a deal today with Conciliar Rome should be thrown out !

    Whose interests are we seeking ? Are we trying to please the Romans or to please God ? If these Romans liked me, I would be no servant of Christ ! (I, 6-10).

    “Before you came to Tradition you were serving under churchmen who were turning the Church over to the world. But now, after you found Tradition, how can you be wanting to go back with the world, under the Conciliar authorities (IV, 8,9) ?

    Am I become an enemy of the SSPX because I tell the truth ?

    Those misleading you pretend to be looking after your interests, but they want you to forget about the Archbishop so as to serve their own interests (IV, 16,17).

    Stand fast, and do not come under the sway of the Council again (V, 1). You were doing well. How can you now be letting yourselves turned away from the Truth ?

    Whoever is doing this to you is no servant of God !

    I do believe you will come to your senses, but whoever is misleading you bears a grave responsibility.

    Do you think I would be so persecuted if I was preaching the world ?

    Whoever is corrupting Tradition needs the knife for more than just circumcision (V, 7-12) !

    “Those wanting the SSPX to go through Vatican II B are merely trying to avoid being persecuted for the Cross of Christ.

    They want you to be worldly, keeping only the outward appearances of Tradition.

    They want back in with the Judaizers in Rome, but God forbid that I should want anything other than the Cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified to me and I to the world.

    Whoever follows Tradition in this way, peace be to them, and mercy (VI, 12-16).”

    Now read St Paul’s own Epistle. Let nobody pretend that the Word of God no longer applies !

    Kyrie eleison.

    Viva Cristo Rey!

    *

  3. Pablo,
    Viva Christo Rey! It would have been a more interesting additon to the conversation if you pointed out some of the Traditions you object to so we could discuss them intelligently rather than use ridicule.

  4. Good day,

    I couldn’t help but comment when I read my country having a special mention on this blog entry… 😀

    We won’t deny that crime and corruption are huge problems here. They’re rampant, not only in the government but also in the private sector. It is also true that our politicians are mostly Catholic. But, in my own humble opinion, I believe it is more of culture and history, rather than religion. It was survival under oppressive colonists and we carried this in our subconscious even until we were on our own. Riches and power are sweet to the influential, and the hungry is forced to his limits. I guess they’re perfect examples of the lost sheep. We are young as a nation and we have a lot to learn. The problems are embedded deep into the system and there’s a lot of work to be done. I believe this is a cross we have to bear. We’re trying our best, one step at a time.

    There are still a lot of good people here though–helping the hopeless and the needy. And yes, a lot them are initiated under the Catholic Church. They work far from the limelight, probably because the world doesn’t find their deed interesting. They find no need to broadcast, anyway.

    I like how BFHU took it in perspective. If I were the Enemy, I’d hit the Vatican hard. Just like the old times,the closest people around: Peter, James and John, (including their mother), Thomas, Martha and of course, Judas…

    Thank you very much for letting me post this despicable comment.

    God bless you.

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