Our Lady Of Guadalupe

Our Lady of Guadalupe ‘completely beyond’ scientific explanation, says researcher

Dr. Adolfo Orozco at the International Marian Congress on Our Lady of Guadalupe in Glendale, Arizona.

Phoenix, Ariz., Aug 7, 2009 / 04:10 pm (CNA).- Researcher and physicist Dr. Aldofo Orozco told participants at the International Marian Congress on Our Lady of Guadalupe that there is no scientific explanation for the 478 years of high quality-preservation of the Tilma or for the miracles that have occurred to ensure its preservation.

Dr. Orozco began his talk by confirming that the conservation of the Tilma, the cloak of St. Juan Diego on which Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared 478 years ago, “is completely beyond any scientific explanation.”

“All the cloths similar to the Tilma that have been placed in the salty and humid environment around the Basilica have lasted no more than ten years,” he explained. One painting of the miraculous image, created in 1789, was on display in a church near the basilica where the Tilma was placed. “This painting was made with the best techniques of its time, the copy was beautiful and made with a fabric very similar to that of the Tilma. Also, the image was protected with a glass since it was first placed there.”

However, eight years later, the copy of the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe was thrown away because the colors were fading and threads were breaking. In contrast, Orozco said, “the original Tilma was exposed for approximately 116 years without any kind of protection, receiving all the infrared and ultraviolet radiation from the tens of thousands of candles near it and exposed to the humid and salty air around the temple.”

Dr. Orozco then discussed the Tilma’s fabric. He noted that “one of the most bizarre characteristics of the cloth is that the back side is rough and coarse, but the front side is ‘as soft as the most pure silk, as noted by painters and scientists in 1666, and confirmed one century later in 1751 by the Mexican painter, Miguel Cabrera.”

Following an analysis of some of the fibers in 1946, it was concluded that the fibers came from the Agave plant, however, noted Dr. Orozco, the researchers couldn’t figure out which of the 175 Agave species the Tilma was made from. Years later, in 1975, “the famous Mexican researcher Ernesto Sodi Pallares said that the species of the agave was Agave popotule Zacc,” Orozco explained, “but we don’t know how he reached this conclusion.”

Before concluding his presentation, Dr. Orozco made mention of two miracles associated with the Tilma.

The first occurred in 1785 when a worker accidentally spilled a 50 percent nitric acid solvent on the right side of the cloth. “Besides any natural explanation, the acid has not destroyed the fabric of the cloth, indeed it has not even destroyed the colored parts of the image,” Orozco said.

The second miracle was the explosion of a bomb near the Tilma in 1921. Dr. Orozco recalled that the explosion broke the marble floor and widows 150 meters from the explosion, but “unexpectedly, neither the Tilma nor the normal glass that protected the Tilma was damaged or broken.” The only damage near it was a brass crucifix that was twisted by the blast.

He continued, “There are no explanations why the shockwave that broke windows 150 meters (164 yards: 1  1/2 football fields) afar did not destroy the normal glass that protected the image. Some people said that the Son by means of the brass crucifix protected the image of His Mother. The real fact is that we don’t have a natural explanation for this event.”

Dr. Orozco thanked the audience for listening to his presentation and closed by reassuring them that “Our Lady visited Mexico 478 years ago, but she remains there to give Her Love, Her Mercy and Her Care to anyone who needs it, and to bring Her Son, Jesus Christ to everyone who receives Him.”

3 Responses

  1. Who wants us to pray to God? God, right?
    Who wants us to pray to images of mortal men? Satan, right?
    So there you have it. According to Romans 1, praying to images of mortal man makes God so angry that He ceases to restrain you from the pervert you are capable of being. That is horrifying. When I read this I threw all my statues in the trash and began to build my relationship with God, which was really, really hard because even though I had gone to Mass everyday for 46 years and said Rosary constantly, I had no personal relationship with God. I knew a lot about him but I did not know him personally. Its like I was a fan of a famous person but did not really have a personally relationship with Him. It took time, talking to Him and reading his love letters to me in the New Testament to finally give me what I thought was not possible until I got to heaven. And to God be the glory for opening my eyes and giving my children the courage to show me the truth.

    Romans 1:18-32 (New International Version)

    God’s Wrath Against Mankind
    18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
    21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

    24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

    26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

    28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

  2. Esther,

    Where does Scripture say that praying to the Saints is desired by Satan?

    Romans 1 is one of my favorite passages of scripture but you have taken verses that are referring to IDOLATRY and applied them to our asking for the Saints for intercessory prayer as if that is the equivalent of IDOLATRY. Thank you for including the Romans passage so all can test it for themselves.

    You are wrong. We do not worship Mary or any of the other Saints. We merely ask for their intercession.

    Who does NOT like prayer? God or Satan?
    If you are interested in further understanding what the Catholic Church actually believes rather than the myths promulgated by many Protestants take a look at these posts on this issue.

    Prayers to the “Dead”
    Why Do Catholics Pray to Mary?

  3. bfhu,

    I just spent the last 20 hours of my life over 2 days reading your blog and especially your conversion story. It must be a major pain in the butt to deal with all this ignorance and vitriol. I am writing to you here because I couldn’t find a direct way to communicate with you any other way. I even found some of ‘your’ ‘our’ allies in the conversion blog to be doing more harm than good and allowed myself to respond a few times although the comments were from 2012 and the writers will probably never see what I had to say. I regret it because it makes me seem like I enjoy rolling around in the mud with people who’s agenda’s are suspect at best. I am Seminary trained and spent decades as an apologist ever since I was assaulted with Jack Chick tracts while in High School. I can easily bury most opponents and used to take pleasure in it. I no longer bother because as even the respectable scholar Philip Jenkins says…Anti-Catholicism is the last acceptable prejudice. I can see how you could lose heart. My methods have now changed and I feel more like Huckleberry Finn when he frees Jim and (since he has been so conditioned by Southern Protestantism and its Biblical defense of slavery) states to God when he decides to free Jim that.”Ok I’ll go to hell then.” His conscience was his guide. Not the Bible, not the revival clowns. In Catholicism a well formed conscience stands supreme. Few Catholics or any other modern people have developed this capacity. I read in one of you responses that you weren’t even sure you could even think in this way because you had never ‘studied Logic or Philosophy’. It is an art. But whether one believes in Catholicism or not there is no more solid way to learn Logic and Philosophy than by studying Catholicism. This is why the Orthodox who blow onto your site often sound like catholic Lite or even Protestant because the Eastern Church rejects philosophy as does protestantism but the Catholic Church demands it. That is why we are hated by everyone because we follow the good found in all places such as the Greek and Latin Philosophers and the Natural Law written on the human heart. Many Catholics are far from the mark but as you’ve said that is no criteria for judging the Church. Know this. When protestantism, Orthodoxy , Mormonism etc are all footnotes in history one group will remain. The Catholics. That is why you get such anger. These people know deep down that they are talking nonsense no matter how hard they do somersaults to support their theology. You don’t see Catholics running by the boatload to critique these people’s websites. That tells us something. GK Chesterton was right. And so was the Apostate Catholic James Joyce when he said regarding Catholics “Here comes Everybody”. Peace and best wishes with your ministry. Jack Fisher

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