All Have Sinned and the Immaculate Conception


Sonya:   The immaculate conception of Mary…I ‘ve read that you believe she is an exception to “all” just like Jesus. However, the only reason we believe Jesus was an exception is because we are plainly told in the scripture that he “knew no sin” and was “yet without sin” etc. No mention is ever made of this toward Mary. Seems the most reasonable explanation for all is all if there is not a clear exception shown.

Bread From Heaven: If Sola Scriptura was an authentic and scriptural doctrine regarding all theology your point might be correct. However, since it is not in Scripture and did not exist in Christian thought until Martin Luther invented it a mere 500 years ago, you certainly are not bound by it, even as a Protestant. And the Catholic Church, which wrote and canonized the Scriptures is most definitely not bound by a Protest-ant and Heretical teaching.

This will not satisfy you as proof but Mary’s sinlessness is obliquely referred to when the angel announces her divine maternity. For what Biblical evidence we have, see–>Immaculate Conception

All does not always mean absolutely all in scripture. For instance, regarding the plagues of Egypt scripture says that they occurred in “all the land of Egypt” and yet we are also told that the Israelites, who also lived in Egypt, escaped these plagues. So, all did not mean absolutely all.

Psalm 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

But, then we have the same author talking about men who are righteous, who do good in many other passages in Psalms.

Psalm 18:20
Jehovah hath rewarded me according to my righteousness; According to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me

Psalm 1:5Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,Nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
Psalm 1:6For the LORD knows the way of the righteous,But the way of the wicked will perish.
Psalm 5:12For it is You who blesses the righteous man, O LORD,
Psalm 11:3If the foundations are destroyed,What can the righteous do?”
Psalm 11:5The LORD tests the righteousand the wicked,

Psalm 52:6 The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him:

So, it seems that we can’t count on all meaning absolutely all. It can be used  hyperbolically and not meant to be taken absolutely literally. Similarly to how a child or teenager might say, “But Mom, all the kids have one.” Click Here–> The Righteous. Noah, Abraham, Job,
Remember, the authors of the New Testament did not include everything they knew. But they could teach everything over time, orally. They did not write a book of systematic theology. They wrote enough to explain who Jesus was and evangelize. And they were promised that,

“the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.John 14:26

This was a promise Jesus made to His apostles and not to anyone else. He could have made this to everyone. But I don’t think too many would claim that He has brought to their personal remembrance all that Jesus said in His life on Earth.

John 20:30 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

John 21: 25And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.


Mary was NOT Sinless



Bread From Heaven: If all (all have sinned Rom 3:23) means, absolutely all, no exceptions, then in order for Jesus to be fully human He would have sinned. But we all agree that Jesus’ humanity is an exception to this verse. But, if there is one exception, why not two? or three? Nothing in scripture specifically says Jesus is the only exception. In general it is certainly true that most people, nearly all people have sinned. But the passage does not state that there are absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS.)


Q. Nothing is scripture points to anyone other than Jesus being sinless.

A. Actually there is. See this POST & this POST.

Q. And to use the justification that the Bible doesn’t say there aren’t exceptions to the rule as your logic is ridiculous.

A. That is your opinion. And I agree, an argument from silence is not a good argument. But, you are the one who only accepts Scripture. But we accept scripture and the teaching of the Apostles as taught orally. So for us this is not an argument from silence but you will not accept our documents. So, based on what we know about the Faith as believed and taught from the beginning, we are not swayed to abandon our beliefs just because they are not explicitly stated in Scripture. They are explicitly stated or alluded to in the ancient prayers, songs, and writings of the Church Fathers.

Q. Jesus is God and God is Jesus. God is perfect and has no darkness that dwells within him which means that Jesus doesn’t as well.

A. We agree.